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Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by s1k3s »

raziel2701 wrote: post #17

Ozempic costs $1000/month (in the US) but $5/month to manufacture [0]. I think if this drug and others are to have a significant anti-consumption effect on other companies it needs to be vastly more accessible, which first requires more accessible healthcare in the US, which is unlikely to happen. Also it's an injection, which raises the barrier. If drugs like these become orally administered and over-the-counter, th…

> As Chairman of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (HELP), I am calling on Novo Nordisk to lower the list price of Ozempic – and the related drug Wegovy – in America to no more than what they charge for this drug in Canada.

I'm not aware of how legislation works in US but I feel like a senator should have more power than just "calling on" a company?

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by dougb5 »

"It’s pretty amazing that a reporter can write with a straight face that people eating less Doritos and Oreos is a ‘mounting concern’!"

This is a really bad-faith interpretation of what the reporter said. The "mounting concern" is linked to a CNBC video. It's obvious in context that it's the investors in processed food companies who are concerned, not the reporter herself.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by chpatrick »

akgoel wrote: post #7
lispisok wrote: post #3

I had the thought there are gonna be some people on these drugs who will still find a way to have bad diets that keeps them fat and unhealthy. Since they have less appetite instead of a sandwich and a milkshake they will skip to the milkshake only.

When I was on Ozempic, I just didn't want the milkshake. It rewires all reward centers.

But it still doesn't sound like a sustainable lifetime solution.

I think it makes great sense if you're badly out of shape, you fix it, and then you can maintain a healthy weight. But going on ozempic every few years sounds really bad.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by fyt2024 »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #9

I'm not very familiar with the approval process for new drugs, but as far as I know it involves some initial step where the safety is assessed, and then the effectiveness. But I don't think either of those are actually long term processes (like, longer than 5 years). So it scares me a bit when something like Ozepmic pops up and tons of people jump on it, without knowing the long term effects that might appear. I read…

Yes. I am very worried about the long term effects of this. While I have no need for this drug, I worries me for the broad population. There are problems known already (cancer).

I understand that it is a trade off if you are obese. A buddy of mine died with 43 bc a combination of obesity and COVID. Yes, it might be justified for high risk patients but currently it looks like it will become a life style drug like Viagra. And a drug that digs so deep into your metabolism and take it for life? Call me a sceptic.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by spirit557 »

akgoel wrote: post #7
lispisok wrote: post #3

I had the thought there are gonna be some people on these drugs who will still find a way to have bad diets that keeps them fat and unhealthy. Since they have less appetite instead of a sandwich and a milkshake they will skip to the milkshake only.

When I was on Ozempic, I just didn't want the milkshake. It rewires all reward centers.

You cant take these drugs forever afaik. Do they have permanent effects? It's just absurd to me the world has come to the point that we need these drugs in the first place but it makes total sense when you look at America for example. Awash in hyperpalatable processed "food" and corrupt food guidelines, a medical industry that "manages" chronic metabolic preventable disease but never cures it when probably 99% of cases could be reversed naturally. Big pharma and big food play their roles. Just insanity.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by Buttons840 »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #9

I'm not very familiar with the approval process for new drugs, but as far as I know it involves some initial step where the safety is assessed, and then the effectiveness. But I don't think either of those are actually long term processes (like, longer than 5 years). So it scares me a bit when something like Ozepmic pops up and tons of people jump on it, without knowing the long term effects that might appear. I read…

Seems like a valid ethical consideration, no doubt. But remember some people are suffering very serious harms already. A new drug might have side effects, but are they worse than the physical and social harms of being addicted to alcohol?

The ethical considerations are more difficult when it comes to someone who simply wants a little help. Consider the common case of someone mostly happy and successful, but is a little overweight and has been struggling off and on for decades to lose 20 pounds; almost all of us have been there, or will be. Do you give those people the drug? Do you allow them to choose for themselves, or should big organizations decide for us?

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by odiroot »

akgoel wrote: post #7
lispisok wrote: post #3

I had the thought there are gonna be some people on these drugs who will still find a way to have bad diets that keeps them fat and unhealthy. Since they have less appetite instead of a sandwich and a milkshake they will skip to the milkshake only.

When I was on Ozempic, I just didn't want the milkshake. It rewires all reward centers.

If they invent something like this but for procrastination, they'd get a Nobel prize.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by lotsofpulp »

s1k3s wrote: post #31
raziel2701 wrote: post #17

Ozempic costs $1000/month (in the US) but $5/month to manufacture [0]. I think if this drug and others are to have a significant anti-consumption effect on other companies it needs to be vastly more accessible, which first requires more accessible healthcare in the US, which is unlikely to happen. Also it's an injection, which raises the barrier. If drugs like these become orally administered and over-the-counter, th…

> As Chairman of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (HELP), I am calling on Novo Nordisk to lower the list price of Ozempic – and the related drug Wegovy – in America to no more than what they charge for this drug in Canada. I'm not aware of how legislation works in US but I feel like a senator should have more power than just "calling on" a company?

They do, they can propose and vote on legislation. And some budgetary and people nominating powers.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by neither_color »

Many years ago as a teen I worked seasonally at a big blue/yellow electronics store that sells TVs, computers, appliances....and candy at the register. Curious, I asked my manager about it.

"Oh yeah, someone comes in here to buy a $10 HDMI cable, and impulse buys a $2 candy bar at checkout. Instant 20% more sales. Gas stations, pharmacies, they all do it."

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