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Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

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Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

#31

Notice how it's never men doing stupidly risky stuff to try to look young and beautiful. The societal pressure on women to look young and beautiful is ridiculous. And influential women actively promoting such garbage is part of the problem. Men get former Mr. Universe's modeling "eat right and exercise." (Arnold in case you aren't getting the reference.) Women get this kind of crap.

I’m sure you realize that Arnold didn’t get that big just through chicken and broccoli…

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

#32

Just a meta-observation on the discourse here. I'm _shocked_ that the discourse on ArsTechnica for this story seems civilized while here on HN it's all (so far) snark.

Really? HN has been a mini-Reddit for quite some time now. Frequently just a bunch of low quality, unfunny and recycled one-liners hoping to grab a few precious internet points.

Phone posters, Eternal September, tech industry interlopers.

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

#33

Notice how it's never men doing stupidly risky stuff to try to look young and beautiful. The societal pressure on women to look young and beautiful is ridiculous. And influential women actively promoting such garbage is part of the problem. Men get former Mr. Universe's modeling "eat right and exercise." (Arnold in case you aren't getting the reference.) Women get this kind of crap.

> Notice how it's never men doing stupidly risky stuff to try to look young and beautiful.

Steroid use is increasingly common among "hobby bodybuilders", a predominantly male demographic, which has all sorts of nasty side effects. Now there are apparently also procedures where young men break their bones to gain a few centimeters in height.

While cosmetic procedures aren't as common among men as they are in women, they're getting increasingly popular. So saying its "never" men is a huuuuuuuugeeee stretch.

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

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The silver lining is that they are lucky to have contracted HIV rather than some of the nastier stuff. There are plenty of worse reality checks.

How manageable is HIV these days?

If you have access to HIV drugs, it's pretty manageable. You will always be immunocompromised however, your mucosal T-cells will never be the same, but in the great picture, life expectancy with medicated HIV is as good as life expectancy without HIV. Having to take daily pills until you die is still a pretty nasty thing however :), there is no cure.

I would definitely group HIV with the "nastier stuff".

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, we do our share of dumb shit too. Ever heard of synthol or jelqing?

No, never heard of them. And didn't claim you don't. But it's not this shit in the name of youth and beauty.

> But it's not this shit in the name of youth and beauty.

Yeah its shit in the name of a bigger biceps and a bigger junk, I don't see how that is any better?

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

#36

Who knew that there might be risks from injecting pieces of other people's bodies into your own?

Well, it's supposed to be injecting bits of your own body. But when the place doesn't even own an autoclave and reuses disposable equipment, I suppose you get what you pay for.

> you get what you pay for

that's not always the case -- there are plenty of places where the prices are rocket-level but services dismal

you can hide a lot using marketing...

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

#37

Notice how it's never men doing stupidly risky stuff to try to look young and beautiful. The societal pressure on women to look young and beautiful is ridiculous. And influential women actively promoting such garbage is part of the problem. Men get former Mr. Universe's modeling "eat right and exercise." (Arnold in case you aren't getting the reference.) Women get this kind of crap.

I’m sure you realize that Arnold didn’t get that big just through chicken and broccoli…

Yes, I realize that. He admits to steroid use.

He also apparently has a heart condition that might have killed him had he not been a fitness nut. Instead, he had heart surgery and called someone in Hollywood from his hospital bed to be emotionally supportive when their movie was doing poorly which just made the guy go something like "Oh. He's hospitalized and calling me to cheer me up. It's worse than I feared!"

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

#38

Just a meta-observation on the discourse here. I'm _shocked_ that the discourse on ArsTechnica for this story seems civilized while here on HN it's all (so far) snark.

Really? HN has been a mini-Reddit for quite some time now. Frequently just a bunch of low quality, unfunny and recycled one-liners hoping to grab a few precious internet points.

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Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

#39

Who knew that there might be risks from injecting pieces of other people's bodies into your own?

> injecting pieces of other people's bodies I've had this done. They draw your own blood and run it through a centrifuge to extract the plasma. there is NO reason the people getting this should have had to worry if not for the complete and other negligence and callousness of th clinic.

>I've had this done.

without really any supporting evidence for efficacy, why? not snark, curiosity.

>there is NO reason the people getting this should have had to worry if not for the complete and other negligence and callousness of th clinic.

this is true of tattoo parlors, too -- but they are a common and repeated disease vector even under regulation.

Someone gets sick, they close and re-hire under a new proprietor. The practices clean up for awhile, until they aren't.

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

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post #33

Notice how it's never men doing stupidly risky stuff to try to look young and beautiful. The societal pressure on women to look young and beautiful is ridiculous. And influential women actively promoting such garbage is part of the problem. Men get former Mr. Universe's modeling "eat right and exercise." (Arnold in case you aren't getting the reference.) Women get this kind of crap.

> Notice how it's never men doing stupidly risky stuff to try to look young and beautiful. Steroid use is increasingly common among "hobby bodybuilders", a predominantly male demographic, which has all sorts of nasty side effects. Now there are apparently also procedures where young men break their bones to gain a few centimeters in height. While cosmetic procedures aren't as common among men as they are in women, th…

They also prescribe steroids to boost your immune system when you have nasty infections, so it's not cut and dried that "steroids = all downside and stupidity."

Unless you want to insist modern medicine has deep flaws and needs a major overhaul. Good luck getting taken seriously with such opinions.

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