Google rival Tuta complains to EU tech regulators about de-ranking

Post by arethuza » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 12:52 PM UTC

delfinom wrote: post #28

yunohn wrote: post #25

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You claimed it was an issue specific to internal usage?

Ah yes, good reminder, it also causes IT hell. If you register an AD tenant, you can associate an domain with it, when you do this. It means all your windows accounts are also something@domain.com instead of the azure default of something@tenantname.onmicrosoft.com It is 100% optional to associate a domain and an explicit action. This to me means they are using the domain on azure for Windows AD. Now why is this bad?…

Post by Arnt » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 12:55 PM UTC

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Arnt wrote: post #13

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Not so much detail about the key issue: "We have no idea why Google is no longer showing our website for thousands of keywords that we used to rank for in the past."

https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2022/08/helpful-co... makes it sound (to my ears)as if they try to distinguish between sites with a single or a few topics and sites that try to match lots of searches. So... What are the thousands of keywords for which Tuta should rank high?

Post by delfinom » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 1:00 PM UTC

arethuza wrote: post #31

delfinom wrote: post #28

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Ah yes, good reminder, it also causes IT hell. If you register an AD tenant, you can associate an domain with it, when you do this. It means all your windows accounts are also something@domain.com instead of the azure default of something@tenantname.onmicrosoft.com It is 100% optional to associate a domain and an explicit action. This to me means they are using the domain on azure for Windows AD. Now why is this bad?…

Would it have been better if they had kept the company name as "tutanota" and called their email service "tuta" on the "tuta.com" domain?

Post by is_true » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 1:04 PM UTC

b112 wrote: post #30

michaeljhg wrote: post #10

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Used to be able to just use quotes to find exact matches https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30130535

That was always a lie. Always. Exact quotes were often disregarded, and even sometimes still aliased. What exists for precision is "verbatim", which was added after some bonehead a Google decided that the + operator, such as +needthisprecisely, was conflicting with "Google Plus" searches. So they deprecated the + operator, and started blathering on about how quotes did "the same thing", which it never did, and never…

Post by rchaud » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 1:16 PM UTC

initplus wrote: post #24

They’ve been de-ranked because their website hits all the “SEO optimized” red flags that Google are now downranking for. Pages like “Outlook vs Tuta Mail” “Gmail vs Tuta mail”, “Yahoo vs Tuta Mail”. All with the same rephrased taking points about their product. Then each of those talking points has its own dedicated page, just saying the same thing over and over again. Want a better rank? Remove all this SEO crap, le…