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Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by [deleted] »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #13
wannacboatmovie wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you care to elaborate on this? Because paying $5/gal gasoline and $8 for a carton of eggs is disastrous for me personally.

> Because paying $5/gal gasoline and $8 for a carton of eggs is disastrous for me personally. I get $5/gal gasoline being a bummer (not that I would notice since I have an EV), but where do you live where eggs cost $8 a carton? I can get 18 for Seriously, I wonder if Trump supporters are just making bad buying decision and then blaming Bidenomics for it? When I lived in Switzerland, I had a lot of price shocks to go…

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Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by knodi123 »

lmm wrote: post #18
ncr100 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* An ENEMY STATE has controlling influence of a widely used social network in the USA. People's minds are influenced by it .. "You are what you eat" holds for what you read/watch and consequently think * This legislation won't lose Biden the election, banning abortion by an insurrectionist will win it * We are in a country that needs people to work together to be a successful country - we are big and highly populated…

> An ENEMY STATE has controlling influence of a widely used social network in the USA. People's minds are influenced by it .. "You are what you eat" holds for what you read/watch and consequently think How are you defining an enemy, and why does it matter whether they're a state or not? There are several domestic entities (governmental and non) that I would consider much bigger threats to me and the people I care abo…

> There are several domestic entities (governmental and non) that I would consider much bigger threats to me

We can address multiple threats at once, and are not compelled to address them in priority order. Any improvement is good.

> if you're not willing to let people read/watch widely and make up their own minds

This seems a very weak argument. Of course nobody wants to make it illegal to see propaganda. But if you think propaganda doesn't work, then I've got a bridge to sell you. Yes, there are lots of kinds and sources and degrees of propaganda, from every side. But it exists on a spectrum - and when it's being controlled by one country, covertly, for the consumption of another country, with whom you have a tense military standoff, then it's a little more insidious than the "let the people decide!" stance you're advocating.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by ok_dad »

nyokodo wrote: post #8
01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #5

Veto it on the grounds that it would cost Biden the election and that would be disastrous for me personally

> Veto it on the grounds that it would cost Biden the election No it won’t. Firstly because the hammer won’t fall until months after the election, and secondly it’d be hard for China-hawk Trump who attempted the same thing during his presidency to take a pro-China position, but finally and most importantly because TikTok is disproportionately popular with young voters who are terrible at actually voting. Plus the mov…

I’m not sure young people care who owns it as long as it’s there.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by likeclockwork »

ncr100 wrote: post #7
01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #5

Veto it on the grounds that it would cost Biden the election and that would be disastrous for me personally

* An ENEMY STATE has controlling influence of a widely used social network in the USA. People's minds are influenced by it .. "You are what you eat" holds for what you read/watch and consequently think * This legislation won't lose Biden the election, banning abortion by an insurrectionist will win it * We are in a country that needs people to work together to be a successful country - we are big and highly populated…

Every item in my house is produced by this so-called enemy state.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by labrador »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #25
labrador wrote: post #4

> “In the context of social media platforms used by nearly half of Americans, it’s not hard to imagine how a platform that facilitates so much commerce, political discourse, and social debate could be covertly manipulated to serve the goals of an authoritarian regime, one with a long track record of censorship, transnational repression, and promotion of disinformation.” Mark Warner (D-VA), Senate Intelligence Committ…

> an authoritarian regime, one with a long track record of censorship, transnational repression, and promotion of disinformation So…the US government then?

Can you explain in what way the US is authoritarian? I don't feel it on a personal level at all. I mean, the dept of motor vehicles is pretty strict, but other than that...

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

likeclockwork wrote: post #34
ncr100 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* An ENEMY STATE has controlling influence of a widely used social network in the USA. People's minds are influenced by it .. "You are what you eat" holds for what you read/watch and consequently think * This legislation won't lose Biden the election, banning abortion by an insurrectionist will win it * We are in a country that needs people to work together to be a successful country - we are big and highly populated…

Every item in my house is produced by this so-called enemy state.

I am not saying I agree with grandparent, but I would like to point out that both your statement and grandparents statement could simultaneously be true with zero conflict between the two

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by squigz »

labrador wrote: post #4

> “In the context of social media platforms used by nearly half of Americans, it’s not hard to imagine how a platform that facilitates so much commerce, political discourse, and social debate could be covertly manipulated to serve the goals of an authoritarian regime, one with a long track record of censorship, transnational repression, and promotion of disinformation.” Mark Warner (D-VA), Senate Intelligence Committ…

I'm confused - are we talking about America here? I thought ByteDance was Chinese?

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by tivert »

likeclockwork wrote: post #34
ncr100 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* An ENEMY STATE has controlling influence of a widely used social network in the USA. People's minds are influenced by it .. "You are what you eat" holds for what you read/watch and consequently think * This legislation won't lose Biden the election, banning abortion by an insurrectionist will win it * We are in a country that needs people to work together to be a successful country - we are big and highly populated…

Every item in my house is produced by this so-called enemy state.

> Every item in my house is produced by this so-called enemy state.

Because Americans have been foolish and short sighted.

So then they're presented with a choice: continue making the mistake or take the difficult steps to attempt to correct it.

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