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BeeBase, a programmable relational database with graphical user interface

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Re: BeeBase, a programmable relational database with graphical user interface

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this is exactly the attitude i'd expect from something hosted on sourceforge. I was also surprised that a db advertised as graphical did not have a screenshot on the front page

im actually not sure whats going on here in the comments

it feels like the same person is posting under different nicks

for what purpose I do not know.

Re: BeeBase, a programmable relational database with graphical user interface

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Exactly, it's a bad error message if you need to read 8 pages of tutorial to get that basic feedback.

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No comment would have been better than this comment. Now both the software and its defenders sound really hostile and off-putting.

Re: BeeBase, a programmable relational database with graphical user interface

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Apparently saved project created with BeeBase is basically a sqlite DB, that you can open with any sqlite browser. So i think a lot of value could come from standardised sqlite format, upon which you could build different UI's to manipulate the content of said sqlite DB and then provide a app that would build client UI based on content of same sqlite file.

You can export to SQLite3, but not import it back in again.

What i mean is that you can save a project and just open saved file as sqlite file. Without need to export anything. That file contains all information needed for app. User data plus meta data used by BeeBase.

Re: BeeBase, a programmable relational database with graphical user interface

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Honestly I think LibreOffice Base (and its brethren) are underappreciated and underdeveloped pieces of software these days. In 80s/90s stuff like dBase and Access seemingly were relatively popular, but that whole category of software seems to have mostly died out which is imho a shame. I suppose Access being somewhat notoriously horrible has something to do with that, suffocating the whole field. Considering how much business users are stretching Excel to fill the gap, I do think there would be demand for better options. I guess Airtable etc are the modern alternatives.

I find it just a shame that databases as a concept is something that has been relegated to be hidden deep in the backends and accessed only by specialized DB admins or through narrow and leaky APIs; SQL is considered arcane wizardry instead of being suitable for technical business users like afaik it was originally envisioned as.

Re: BeeBase, a programmable relational database with graphical user interface

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not sure if you are trolling or serious here but thats a bad user experience and also very condescending

It's not about a user, it's about someone declining to become a user because the manual is distributed as a separate PDF. I see two solutions for this problem, either use another software or hire someone to adapt this one to you.

As a user you know the basic constraints on table names, if you don't you can't use the software.

Re: BeeBase, a programmable relational database with graphical user interface

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not sure if you are trolling or serious here but thats a bad user experience and also very condescending

It's not about a user, it's about someone declining to become a user because the manual is distributed as a separate PDF. I see two solutions for this problem, either use another software or hire someone to adapt this one to you. As a user you know the basic constraints on table names, if you don't you can't use the software.

> It's not about a user

If your users are developers, then this mindset will inevitably lead to poor developer experience (DX). That is a stance that someone could take, but their software would be then only used in spite of the DX, not because of it. In general, this would lead to a more miserable experience. I don't think that's good, even if it's just a lot of small annoyances along the way.

Here's a Dylan Beattie talk that touches upon this very thing: https://youtu.be/BIkXid_pBiY?t=629 (specific timestamp to relevant bit)

Re: BeeBase, a programmable relational database with graphical user interface

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Exactly, it's a bad error message if you need to read 8 pages of tutorial to get that basic feedback.

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I'm all for RTFM, more than most, but this is a ridiculous take.

The software obviously did a specific check that failed, but added no context as to why. Like a boolean isValidName() function. You're already doing checks, you know why it failed, tell the user. Even in fuzzy terms is more helpful than pass/fail.

Now, if the error said something to the effect of 'name must be uppercase' and the user was confused or complaining, I'd be more inclined to agree.

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