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April 24 is JavaScript Naked Day – Browse the web without JavaScript

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Re: April 24 is JavaScript Naked Day – Browse the web without JavaScript

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Post by nolist_policy »

largbae wrote: post #6

Completely disabling JavaScript is a no-go these days. But Firefox+NoScript is both enlightening and refreshing. Did you know that CNN tries to run JavaScript from more than 30 domains on the front page, but is functional and ad-free after enabling 2 or 3? The Add-on allows you to enable or disable specific domains serving JavaScript, and automatically save those preferences for later visits. I find that I only notic…

IMHO, NoScript is bad because it discourages you from browsing new sites. As you usually need to first spend 1 minute in the NoScript UI to get the site working.

This also makes it very impractical for day-to-day usage i.e. quickly googling something.

Re: April 24 is JavaScript Naked Day – Browse the web without JavaScript

#32

Post by threetonesun »

xyst wrote: post #20

I like the idea of it. Promotes accessibility in cases where bandwidth is limited. Or users have older devices or limited computing power. I wonder if sites using angular or react will even work without js edit: while looking this up myself, discovered a design philosophy called: Progressive Enhancement ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_enhancement ) If I ever start up my own company. This will be the fou…

Part of this initiative is, I’m sure, to enlighten newer members of the web community to the fact that you can build a large percentage of web pages without JavaScript being required, and that is in fact how we always did it in the past.

Whether or not doing so makes business sense is a different discussion. While I philosophically agree I’m also aware a lot of people have jobs that require being part of the economy of JavaScript garbage at a global scale.

Re: April 24 is JavaScript Naked Day – Browse the web without JavaScript

#33

Post by bee_rider »

nolist_policy wrote: post #31
largbae wrote: post #6

Completely disabling JavaScript is a no-go these days. But Firefox+NoScript is both enlightening and refreshing. Did you know that CNN tries to run JavaScript from more than 30 domains on the front page, but is functional and ad-free after enabling 2 or 3? The Add-on allows you to enable or disable specific domains serving JavaScript, and automatically save those preferences for later visits. I find that I only notic…

IMHO, NoScript is bad because it discourages you from browsing new sites. As you usually need to first spend 1 minute in the NoScript UI to get the site working. This also makes it very impractical for day-to-day usage i.e. quickly googling something.

Without NoScript, I need to trust a site well enough to download and run programs from it, in order to check it out. With NoScript, I can at least try to use a site.

Re: April 24 is JavaScript Naked Day – Browse the web without JavaScript

#34

Post by nolist_policy »

bee_rider wrote: post #33
nolist_policy wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, NoScript is bad because it discourages you from browsing new sites. As you usually need to first spend 1 minute in the NoScript UI to get the site working. This also makes it very impractical for day-to-day usage i.e. quickly googling something.

Without NoScript, I need to trust a site well enough to download and run programs from it, in order to check it out. With NoScript, I can at least try to use a site.

And how exactly do you establish trust?

At that level of paranoia you should use a separate device. More secure and, more importantly, more time saving. It will pay off in no time.

Or perhaps use an operating system that provides stronger security guarantees like QubesOS or ChromeOS.

Re: April 24 is JavaScript Naked Day – Browse the web without JavaScript

#35

Post by crtasm »

rand0mx1 wrote: post #28
Springtime wrote: post #12

With Javascript disabled the aspect that is a pet peeve isn't some broken functionality of a site (which one would expect) but when a considerable amount of sites add a blank overlay until JS and/or cookies are enabled. And not the scenario where JS is responsible for loading the content but literally when it's just an arbitrary blank viewport-encompassing element covering the already loaded content—all so the site c…

Cloudflare will block new visitors as there will be no captcha to load.

That depends how the site is configured in Cloudflare.

Re: April 24 is JavaScript Naked Day – Browse the web without JavaScript

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Post by xXx_uwu_xXx »

This thing I just looove to see everywhere is $blah_blah$ or \{blah_blah\} or some shite like that. At this point, I should be almost fluent in LaTeX or whatever eldritch tongue these people speak. Perhaps there is a lack of proper authoring tools for MathML? Doesn't Chrome support MathML at least partially these days? I use Firefox so I wouldn't know.

Re: April 24 is JavaScript Naked Day – Browse the web without JavaScript

#38

Post by bee_rider »

nolist_policy wrote: post #34
bee_rider wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without NoScript, I need to trust a site well enough to download and run programs from it, in order to check it out. With NoScript, I can at least try to use a site.

And how exactly do you establish trust? At that level of paranoia you should use a separate device. More secure and, more importantly, more time saving. It will pay off in no time. Or perhaps use an operating system that provides stronger security guarantees like QubesOS or ChromeOS.

If you just browse a site for a little while you can see that it’s a real website, and get a general impression of the place. The set of sites that are both useful, and require JavaScript, is pretty small anyway. So, it isn’t a big loss.

> At that level of paranoia you should use a separate air-gapped device. More secure and, more importantly, more time saving. It will pay off in no time.

This is not a real suggestion, it is an attempt to make my easy middle-ground solution sound ridiculous and impossible by comparing it to something silly like air-gapping my computer. I’m not going for some unattainable perfection. I think the reason people bring this out is that they are uncomfortable with the fact that they are being careless and they want to make even the slightest bit of self-defense sound incomprehensible difficult.

Re: April 24 is JavaScript Naked Day – Browse the web without JavaScript

#39

Post by DecoySalamander »

bee_rider wrote: post #33
nolist_policy wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, NoScript is bad because it discourages you from browsing new sites. As you usually need to first spend 1 minute in the NoScript UI to get the site working. This also makes it very impractical for day-to-day usage i.e. quickly googling something.

Without NoScript, I need to trust a site well enough to download and run programs from it, in order to check it out. With NoScript, I can at least try to use a site.

Without NoScript you trust your browser's sandbox to handle whatever arbitrary code is thrown into it. Same as with NoScript, really.

Re: April 24 is JavaScript Naked Day – Browse the web without JavaScript

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Post by bee_rider »

Springtime wrote: post #12

With Javascript disabled the aspect that is a pet peeve isn't some broken functionality of a site (which one would expect) but when a considerable amount of sites add a blank overlay until JS and/or cookies are enabled. And not the scenario where JS is responsible for loading the content but literally when it's just an arbitrary blank viewport-encompassing element covering the already loaded content—all so the site c…

They don’t want you there, they are poorly designed sites, and you are better off leaving them.
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