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Re: The Making of Django Reinhardt

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Post by fuzztester »

wsintra2022 wrote: post #17
bsimpson wrote: post #13

If you are ever in NYC, the present-day patron saint of gypsy jazz (Stephane Wrembel) has a residency at Barbes in Park Slope. He plays every Sunday at 8, and hosts an annual festival "Django a Gogo" coming up on the first weekend in May. It's a super good time.

Also a good club called Drom that hosts a lot of good gypsy music. Drom being the Romany word for road.

>Romany word for road.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavengro

    Shoon thimble-engro;
    Avella Gorgio.” [33]
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/22878/22878-h/22878-h.htm

Re: The Making of Django Reinhardt

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Post by TeaBrain »

ryanisnan wrote: post #28
vvpan wrote: post #5

As as ipaddr points out it seems this got promoted by an algorithm. But that aside I always felt like Django's music aged quiet poorly. A few country/blues/jazz and related styles from the first half of 20th century have. Big band - did not age well and effectively vanished as far I can see. Rag time, a very popular style for a couple of decades, gives me some enjoyment but mostly as a curiosity. That is all in contr…

This is meta-commentary about HackerNews in general. Your statement about this post was addressed by dang directly, and maybe that's why your comment is being downvoted into oblivion. This feels to me like throwing the baby out with the bath water. That is sad, given the "meat" of your comment is inquisitive, thought-provoking, and politely delivered. Has anyone else felt frustrated by the voting patterns of the HN c…

I wouldn't characterize it as thought-provoking or inquisitive. They criticize the music as if they are an royally appointed arbiter of good music, but never get to the heart of what they are actually criticizing, only remarking that the music is no longer popular and that it is not to their taste. They leverage this criticism of it not being to their taste to make the judgement that it not age well, as if they are making some universal self-evident observation, which I found absolutely tasteless and unconstructive. Given the down votes others may have felt the same way.

Re: The Making of Django Reinhardt

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Post by mannyv »

vvpan wrote: post #5

As as ipaddr points out it seems this got promoted by an algorithm. But that aside I always felt like Django's music aged quiet poorly. A few country/blues/jazz and related styles from the first half of 20th century have. Big band - did not age well and effectively vanished as far I can see. Rag time, a very popular style for a couple of decades, gives me some enjoyment but mostly as a curiosity. That is all in contr…

Survival in the music industry is commercially driven, not artistically driven.

Re: The Making of Django Reinhardt

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Post by imp0cat »

michael_michael wrote: post #30
pachico wrote: post #16

Although I was already very familiar with jazz, I wasn't aware of Django and the Gypsy Swing / Swing Manouche. One day, probably being 16, I discovered it and it changed my experience with music forever. While my friends fantasized with motorcycles, I was dreaming to attend the Samois Sur Senne festival. This passion drove me to fly to Rome, Paris, Berlin, etc just to see Angelo Debarre or Rosenberg, to fanatically c…

Something similar happened to me. An artist I liked effusively praised Django Reinhardt in their CD liner notes. For a sheltered suburbanite, the words "Django Reinhardt" were more or less gobbledygook, so I had to figure out exactly who or what it meant and why it prompted one of my favorite guitarists to pen an ode of praise. All this sent me on a months-long quest to track down albums and information in a pre-sear…

We gained a lot! In fact, I think we are approaching the possible maximum (that maximum obviously being the nineties/early 2000 days of audiogalaxy, napster etc... when people shared pretty much any kind of music).

Re: The Making of Django Reinhardt

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Post by ryanisnan »

TeaBrain wrote: post #32
ryanisnan wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is meta-commentary about HackerNews in general. Your statement about this post was addressed by dang directly, and maybe that's why your comment is being downvoted into oblivion. This feels to me like throwing the baby out with the bath water. That is sad, given the "meat" of your comment is inquisitive, thought-provoking, and politely delivered. Has anyone else felt frustrated by the voting patterns of the HN c…

I wouldn't characterize it as thought-provoking or inquisitive. They criticize the music as if they are an royally appointed arbiter of good music, but never get to the heart of what they are actually criticizing, only remarking that the music is no longer popular and that it is not to their taste. They leverage this criticism of it not being to their taste to make the judgement that it not age well, as if they are m…

Thanks for the response. What I appreciated about their comment was that they framed the opinion as such, e.g "I always felt like Django's music aged quiet poorly" or "Rag time, a very popular style for a couple of decades, gives me some enjoyment but mostly as a curiosity."

But then OP gave an example of another artist where they felt like there was a stark contrast. That's interesting to me, because I don't know who Harry Smith is.

Re: The Making of Django Reinhardt

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Post by dredmorbius »

dang wrote: post #22
vvpan wrote: post #5

As as ipaddr points out it seems this got promoted by an algorithm. But that aside I always felt like Django's music aged quiet poorly. A few country/blues/jazz and related styles from the first half of 20th century have. Big band - did not age well and effectively vanished as far I can see. Rag time, a very popular style for a couple of decades, gives me some enjoyment but mostly as a curiosity. That is all in contr…

Algorithms don't promote things on HN.

So far as I understand workings, that may be true in a strict sense, but algorithms and various site affordances can be at play. HN specifically penalises certain sites, and possibly keywords or themes.[1] And there are algorithms such as the flamewar detector which can kick in for specific threads.[2]

Much as a subsidy may be seen as an inverted penalty, an inverted penalty is a promotion.

That's a niggling argument, but in the interests of fairness and transparency, possibly worth noting.

There's also the 2nd chance queue, as noted in this thread here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40069963>. Though that's a manual, and not automated or algorithmic, adjustment.

I'll also note that this Mostly Seems to Improve Overall Site Quality, and I'm not criticising the practice, but clarifying it.

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Notes:

1. See, e.g., https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10448419> and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34850588>.

2. See, e.g., https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8461596> and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39236061>.

Re: The Making of Django Reinhardt

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Post by jazzyjackson »

bsimpson wrote: post #13

If you are ever in NYC, the present-day patron saint of gypsy jazz (Stephane Wrembel) has a residency at Barbes in Park Slope. He plays every Sunday at 8, and hosts an annual festival "Django a Gogo" coming up on the first weekend in May. It's a super good time.

a kava bar in asheville (sovereign kava) has a monthly django jazz jam
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