„Size“ is misleading. 33 solar masses is in fact small for a black hole. Sigatarius A is still the biggest in the Milky Way.
They don't seem too clear on the science they're reporting, but if I'm understanding it right, this is supposed to be the largest stellar origin black hole. The fact that Sagittarius A* is just a bit under 4.3 million solar masses, which is a bit over 33, was my first thought, too.
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#32I was always under the impression there was only 1 black-hole in our galaxy, at it's centre.
The one at the center of the galaxy is along for the ride! A good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-P5IFTqB98
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
That doesn't matter, you are toying with semantics. If astronomers say stellar black hole, they don't mean supermassive black holes at galactic centers. Even if Sagittarius A* was initially a stellar black hole, its more now.
I hadn't heard of the distinction stellar or non-stellar black hole before. It rather sounds like semantics to me to say this is one type of black hole and not another when it's physically the same thing and we don't know how it formed to begin with The headline confused me as well: 33 solar masses (not sizes) seems tiny to me, I was sure we knew of bigger ones
The difference is even more clear-cut because so-called intermediate mass black holes are something of a question mark. For a long time it wasn’t clear whether they even exist in any significant numbers, and even now the evidence is not especially rock-solid, especially with regard to candidate objects in the Milky Way.
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#34I was always under the impression there was only 1 black-hole in our galaxy, at it's centre.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
That doesn't matter, you are toying with semantics. If astronomers say stellar black hole, they don't mean supermassive black holes at galactic centers. Even if Sagittarius A* was initially a stellar black hole, its more now.
I hadn't heard of the distinction stellar or non-stellar black hole before. It rather sounds like semantics to me to say this is one type of black hole and not another when it's physically the same thing and we don't know how it formed to begin with The headline confused me as well: 33 solar masses (not sizes) seems tiny to me, I was sure we knew of bigger ones
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but the size is not proportional to the suns mass, hence the error. size=/=mass
Also “33 times more massive than the sun” means 34 times the mass of the sun.
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#37The largest black hole in Milky Way is million times more massive than our sun. Falls in super massive category.
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#39Preprint: https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/forth/aa49763-24.pdf
§3 Discussion: "The estimated mass is also too large for one neutron stars or two neutron stars in a close orbit, so we are left with the possibility of: 1) a single BH; 2) an inner binary containing two BHs; or 3) a BH and another compact object. Although the single BH is the simplest explanation, the hypothesis of an inner binary of two BHs cannot be excluded [...] radial-velocity [...] perturbations are too small to be detected in the Gaia RVS [radial-velocity] data[.] For the purposes of the subsequent discussion we have adopted the single BH hypothesis as the most likely explanation."
Someone with more patience (or more troll-energy) than I have right now might try to introduce this into the handful of threads here containing various complaints that (clearly assuming a single BH), "size" is being punned as mass in the newspaper article linked at the top. If, for example, the ~33 M_sun ("mass of the sun") mass is evenly divided between two central BHs with the giant branch star companion orbiting them (cf. Alpha Centauri AB + wide companion Alpha Centauri C and similar triples), what's the most reasonable understanding of "size"? Or what if the dark component has a mass-ratio of ~ 30:2 split between a BH and a satellite NS? Total mass remains ~33 M_sun, how has "size" changed?
(Answer: "it hasn't". Generally I agree with the comments that read "size" as meaning mass and disagree that it should mean the Schwarzschild radius, and not just because the dark component might not be very Schwarzschild-like at all. Perhaps someone might do an ELI5 of dimensional analysis g = T^-2 L -> M = T^-2 L^3 or Gauss's law for gravity. (Serious ambition would be ELI12 of the argument around the "scale separation" towards the end of the excellent https://physicscourses.colorado.edu/phys2210/phys2210_fa20/l...>, where we'd distinguish the scale of a possible inner-binary from the scale of the giant star's orbit around it.))
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#40Preprint: https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/forth/aa49763-24.pdf
Thanks, that's always useful. §3 Discussion: "The estimated mass is also too large for one neutron stars or two neutron stars in a close orbit, so we are left with the possibility of: 1) a single BH; 2) an inner binary containing two BHs; or 3) a BH and another compact object. Although the single BH is the simplest explanation, the hypothesis of an inner binary of two BHs cannot be excluded [...] radial-velocity [...…