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Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

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Post by delusional »

primitivesuave wrote: post #23
southernplaces7 wrote: post #16

As is the case with just about all tech service offerings these days, whether they charge you or not, my first question is: How much of the info it extracts from me to provide me with this service is it going to hoard and then resell to others for the sake of "improving user experience" or some other bullshit justification for extracting more money. The ugly thing is that this vast privacy invasion and resell has bec…

They do make some effort to push the “confidential cloud” aspect of their product, where the AI is supposed to somehow operate on your encrypted data, but these days I only believe it when I see the white paper. It is unfortunately quite common in our industry is to posture as more security-conscious and privacy-focused than you actually are.

And for some reason that's not illegal

Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

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Post by janalsncm »

primitivesuave wrote: post #23
southernplaces7 wrote: post #16

As is the case with just about all tech service offerings these days, whether they charge you or not, my first question is: How much of the info it extracts from me to provide me with this service is it going to hoard and then resell to others for the sake of "improving user experience" or some other bullshit justification for extracting more money. The ugly thing is that this vast privacy invasion and resell has bec…

They do make some effort to push the “confidential cloud” aspect of their product, where the AI is supposed to somehow operate on your encrypted data, but these days I only believe it when I see the white paper. It is unfortunately quite common in our industry is to posture as more security-conscious and privacy-focused than you actually are.

I’m gonna doubt they’re operating AI on encrypted cloud data. In other words, there’s no technical reason they couldn’t be listening to your conversations.

If these guys have accomplished homomorphic encryption they shouldn’t be building a wearable, they should be licensing their IP to Apple.

Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

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Post by PStamatiou »

littlestymaar wrote: post #27
PStamatiou wrote: post #25

(Co-founder of Limitless here) For any designers / front-end folks here, I wrote a thread going over some of the design details on our new homepage: https://twitter.com/Stammy/status/1779860940541808935

You should consider a blog post on your website, in addition to a post on a closed social media where most people can't read threads anymore.

Yea definitely, have been thinking about something more in-depth where i dive into how i created them too.

Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

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Post by dsiroker »

cakeface wrote: post #28

Aren't there wiretapping laws that make recording conversations in certain situations illegal? I love the idea of this type of technology but it seems tricky to deploy from a moral and legal perspective.

That's why we are going to offer Consent Mode.

Consent Mode makes it possible for the first time ever to only capture the voice of people who have given consent to be recorded.

It uses voice identification to determine who is speaking and verbal opt-in to make it frictionless to ask for consent.

Here's a direct link to the timestamp of the announcement where we show how Consent Mode works: https://twitter.com/dsiroker/status/1779857843895599383?t=26...

Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

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Post by mattsan »

janalsncm wrote: post #32
primitivesuave wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do make some effort to push the “confidential cloud” aspect of their product, where the AI is supposed to somehow operate on your encrypted data, but these days I only believe it when I see the white paper. It is unfortunately quite common in our industry is to posture as more security-conscious and privacy-focused than you actually are.

I’m gonna doubt they’re operating AI on encrypted cloud data. In other words, there’s no technical reason they couldn’t be listening to your conversations. If these guys have accomplished homomorphic encryption they shouldn’t be building a wearable, they should be licensing their IP to Apple.

They're definitely marketing this as if they were Apple. If this takes off I'm betting on Apple buying them out.

Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

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Post by FL410 »

Big fan of Rewind (despite the impact on battery life!). My favorite part of it is that everything is verifiably local. I'll take an inferior AI model to shipping recordings of everything I see/hear to someone else.

Hard pass on Limitless. I don't care how good the encryption is, sending this kind of thing to anyone's cloud is a nope for me.

Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

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Post by Oras »

nihaals wrote: post #3
georgehill wrote: post #2

Any data privacy experts here? Could someone explain how data encryption and decryption work here? https://www.limitless.ai/#privacy

They don't really give any specifics and I'm not sure if they give you the keys or explain how the keys are derived (which I assume must be based on your login if they don't make you enter it otherwise they must be able to decrypt it whenever they want) but they mention they worked with Latacora[1]. Also curious if anyone else has any ideas on how they prevent themselves from being able to decrypt user data while imp…

It would be impossible to do E2E encryption unless the transcription happens on the device (I assume you mean the wearable).

Even with that, you will only access the transcript and still need an AI model to get meaningful info.

This device wouldn't be suitable for anyone with little privacy concerns.

Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

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Post by crooked-v »

primitivesuave wrote: post #23
southernplaces7 wrote: post #16

As is the case with just about all tech service offerings these days, whether they charge you or not, my first question is: How much of the info it extracts from me to provide me with this service is it going to hoard and then resell to others for the sake of "improving user experience" or some other bullshit justification for extracting more money. The ugly thing is that this vast privacy invasion and resell has bec…

They do make some effort to push the “confidential cloud” aspect of their product, where the AI is supposed to somehow operate on your encrypted data, but these days I only believe it when I see the white paper. It is unfortunately quite common in our industry is to posture as more security-conscious and privacy-focused than you actually are.

It's all sent to OpenAI for the LLM processing, so you'd better make sure you're happy with them getting text transcripts of everything that ever shows up on your computer screen.

Re: Limitless: Personalized AI powered by what you've seen, said, and heard

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Post by ooterness »

janalsncm wrote: post #32
primitivesuave wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do make some effort to push the “confidential cloud” aspect of their product, where the AI is supposed to somehow operate on your encrypted data, but these days I only believe it when I see the white paper. It is unfortunately quite common in our industry is to posture as more security-conscious and privacy-focused than you actually are.

I’m gonna doubt they’re operating AI on encrypted cloud data. In other words, there’s no technical reason they couldn’t be listening to your conversations. If these guys have accomplished homomorphic encryption they shouldn’t be building a wearable, they should be licensing their IP to Apple.

It's encrypted, but they have the keys. Wouldn't want anyone else to access the data without paying the toll, after all.
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