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Marc Andreessen: I regret not doing more to support and defend Brendan Eich

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Re: Marc Andreessen: I regret not doing more to support and defend Brendan Eich

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Post by becausepc »

scandinavian wrote: post #30
andxor_ wrote: post #27

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He's not helming javascript in any way or form or even contributing to the standard to my knowledge. > Stop branding not willing to take a drug that did not go through standard vaccine approval process as anti-vaxx. That's not why he's anti-vax, I never said that.

> He's not helming javascript in any way or form or even contributing to the standard to my knowledge.

Brendan may not be helming JavaScript anymore. But he was very active during critical standardization period. For example:

2009: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUtsgUrF-ec

2011: https://brendaneich.com/2011/08/my-txjs-talk-twitter-remix/

2012: https://brendaneich.com/2012/10/harmony-of-dreams-come-true/

Also note that Asm.js (2013 precursor to WebAssembly) was developed during his term at Mozilla.

Re: Marc Andreessen: I regret not doing more to support and defend Brendan Eich

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Post by richrichie »

mvc wrote: post #23
weberer wrote: post #16

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It was obviously a targeted, coordinated attack. People were looking decades back into his donation history to try to find anything that tied him to "the right wing". A thousand dollars a decade before to a anti-gay-marriage proposition in California that most Californians agreed with him on at the time. A few thousand dollars two decades back to Ron Paul. Why do you claim he should "suffer" for that? Should half the…

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Re: Marc Andreessen: I regret not doing more to support and defend Brendan Eich

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Post by defrost »

richrichie wrote: post #32
mvc wrote: post #23

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Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-car...

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.59...

    As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries, in some federal and state criminal statutes, and elsewhere.

    The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was “raped” within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump “raped” her as many people commonly understand the word “rape.”

    Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.

Re: Marc Andreessen: I regret not doing more to support and defend Brendan Eich

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Post by EA-3167 »

mrkeen wrote: post #17

"for taking private civic action based upon his quiet Christian faith" One can only dream of a world in which all civic actions are secular, and religious matters are private and quiet.

France is living this dream already and has been for over a century. It takes legal protections for secularism and the enforcement of those laws, it's simple, but it isn't easy.

Re: Marc Andreessen: I regret not doing more to support and defend Brendan Eich

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Post by makeitdouble »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #25
makeitdouble wrote: post #10

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There's an infinite number of arguments on how his publicly expressed (these donations were not anonymous) personal views impact his role as the head of an organization. If for instance valuable members of the org quit on it, recruiting becomes noticeably harder, Mozilla's PR is impacted and investors aren't happy about it, I'd assume that's enough to ask him to step down.

Is that the case? Same applies to people trying to oust others on such grounds. I would never support an organization with that much lack of a spine and in my quite pragmatic views the requirements here are fairly low due to economic realities. I trust the leadership of Mozilla a fair bit less than previously and I believe it at least now has a toxic work environment I also would probably not like to work for. I stil…

On Mozilla in particular, I think people joining it and supporting it in general have a fairly stronger opinion on what an organization should have as values than for many other large size companies (let's say Microsoft, Oracle or Accenture for instance).

Is a good or a bad thing ? Honestly I don't think Mozilla would have grown as much without all the social clout it has. There's no denying it has a tremendous effect on the pool of candidates, and the users choosing to support the company even as other products can be objectively better.

As you say it cuts both ways as they now have a kind of moral handcuffs limiting the views and moral/political positions they can have at the leadership and PR level. I personally see it as net positive, but we can agree to disagree.

Re: Marc Andreessen: I regret not doing more to support and defend Brendan Eich

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Post by aaa_aaa »

mvc wrote: post #23
weberer wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was obviously a targeted, coordinated attack. People were looking decades back into his donation history to try to find anything that tied him to "the right wing". A thousand dollars a decade before to a anti-gay-marriage proposition in California that most Californians agreed with him on at the time. A few thousand dollars two decades back to Ron Paul. Why do you claim he should "suffer" for that? Should half the…

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Changing the subject to a political comedy show is silly.

Re: Marc Andreessen: I regret not doing more to support and defend Brendan Eich

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Post by richrichie »

defrost wrote: post #34
richrichie wrote: post #32

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Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-car... https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.59... As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries, in some federal and state crimin…

No cigar.

Rape is a criminal offense and the convict goes straight to jail. You can’t make up definitions and “convict” people in popular opinion.

Re: Marc Andreessen: I regret not doing more to support and defend Brendan Eich

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Post by tjansen »

makeitdouble wrote: post #10
ggm wrote: post #2

Did Eich use his position to advance his advocacy? That's really the only question of merit. If he applied his views to hiring or firing decisions, that's an HR and legal matter all of its own.

There's an infinite number of arguments on how his publicly expressed (these donations were not anonymous) personal views impact his role as the head of an organization. If for instance valuable members of the org quit on it, recruiting becomes noticeably harder, Mozilla's PR is impacted and investors aren't happy about it, I'd assume that's enough to ask him to step down.

Ousting him had similar impact. I used to like Mozilla, but ever after that incident using Mozilla feels wrong. And I am not even a fan of Eich.

Re: Marc Andreessen: I regret not doing more to support and defend Brendan Eich

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Post by kthejoker2 »

richrichie wrote: post #38
defrost wrote: post #34

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Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-car... https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.59... As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries, in some federal and state crimin…

No cigar. Rape is a criminal offense and the convict goes straight to jail. You can’t make up definitions and “convict” people in popular opinion.

I believe the point is what he did nonconsensually to anorher person and not what the punishment was.

Good lawyering, conveniently poor critical thinking = bad faith trolling, which is also not allowed in HN discussion.

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