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Why dentists say you shouldn't rinse after brushing

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Re: Why dentists say you shouldn't rinse after brushing

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There's a probiotic that aims to prevent cavities forever by replacing your mouth microbiome with harmless bacteria that outcompetes the harmful bacteria. https://www.luminaprobiotic.com/ I'm temped to try it. But I'm waiting for others to review it first.

> The original patent holder shelved it because they were unwilling or financially unable to meet the FDA's testing requirements. So no human trials to confirm efficacy or side effects. (There was excellent efficacy and no short or long term side effects in rat studies.)

> There is no publicly available info about Lumina (street address, phone, financing, key personnel, facilities, etc.)

> Lumina is headquartered in Próspera, on the tourist island of Roatán in Honduras, South America. While the city is known for crypto, it is not known for the high tech pharmacological manufacturing and expertise that BCS3-L1 would require.

> Próspera is not subject to Honduran laws, taxes, (or FDA), because it was, for practical purposes, sold to billionaire Peter Theil and his investors . Because of a sketchy area of international law, Theil, et al, are able to sue (and are suing) Honduras for wanting to get out of the bad deal Honduras made with him. I.e., there could be resultant production issues for companies in Próspera. (Look up "ZEDE" and "Investor-State Dispute Settlement" if you're up for a major rabbit hole.)

Re: Why dentists say you shouldn't rinse after brushing

#32

There's a probiotic that aims to prevent cavities forever by replacing your mouth microbiome with harmless bacteria that outcompetes the harmful bacteria. https://www.luminaprobiotic.com/ I'm temped to try it. But I'm waiting for others to review it first.

I wouldn't trust this based on some online reviews. i would want to see clinical trails. Reviewers, if not straight up bought, will probably be very sensitive to placebo effects.

Re: Why dentists say you shouldn't rinse after brushing

#34

There's a probiotic that aims to prevent cavities forever by replacing your mouth microbiome with harmless bacteria that outcompetes the harmful bacteria. https://www.luminaprobiotic.com/ I'm temped to try it. But I'm waiting for others to review it first.

See https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/defying-cavity-lantern-biow... for a good discussion about it.

Re: Why dentists say you shouldn't rinse after brushing

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post #15

Why are teens getting so many cavities?

Some people are convinced that it's due to a lack of vitamin K2 in the western diet (not K1). I personally believe this too, at least as a contributing factor.

K2 is what pulls calcium from your blood into your bones (and teeth). It's mostly found in fermented foods (natto, kefir, cheese). Your body can make your own, but it's thought that it's not be enough to stop tooth decay and osteoporosis. It's my understanding that it's only been about 15 years since we have discovered that people might not be getting enough vitamin K2, so the science might not be settled yet, but there's evidence eg this [0] recent periodontitis study found that people with periodontitis had lower serum levels of vitamin K2.

Other vitamins and minerals that are often lacking that contribute are vitamins D and A, and magnesium. People often get insufficient amounts of vitamin D and magnesium in the modern day too.

[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10670967/

Re: Why dentists say you shouldn't rinse after brushing

#37

There's a probiotic that aims to prevent cavities forever by replacing your mouth microbiome with harmless bacteria that outcompetes the harmful bacteria. https://www.luminaprobiotic.com/ I'm temped to try it. But I'm waiting for others to review it first.

If I just eat an apple after my meal, my teeth retain a sqeaky clean feeling. Don’t know how replicable this is but I highly recommend trying it.

Re: Why dentists say you shouldn't rinse after brushing

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post #25

There is no way I could avoid rinsing. That just leaves a feeling of being unclean.

It's the exact opposite though. Washing away the cleaning agent

Not rinsing also leaves all the food residue, germs (dead or alive) and debris that has collected in your mouth throughout the day. Not rinsing my mouth after brushing feels like showering and leaving the soap on.

Re: Why dentists say you shouldn't rinse after brushing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My teenage cavities stopped after 1) eating less sugar, and 2) switching to a non-fluoride toothpaste. Now that I'm in my 30s, I have had no cavity issues thus far, but I do have a lot of chipped teeth. I should try fluoride toothpaste again, in order to see 1) if it was the lack of sugar that reduced my cavities, and 2) potentially strengthen my teeth.

Toothpaste is a fantastic and cheap abrasive that makes short work of cleaning up hard metals. I don’t want that stuff anywhere near my teeth.

Vibes > clinical trials

Re: Why dentists say you shouldn't rinse after brushing

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the exact opposite though. Washing away the cleaning agent

Not rinsing also leaves all the food residue, germs (dead or alive) and debris that has collected in your mouth throughout the day. Not rinsing my mouth after brushing feels like showering and leaving the soap on.

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