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End of the Line? Saudi Arabia to scale back plans for desert megacity

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My thoughts are with the fellas who filled their coffers. Well done!

Yeah but I wonder is who signed off on this? Like, were they duped into it, or is it part of some bigger scheme? What is that scheme?

The prince himself. Giant steel dicks is as far as his fantasy goes with his natural resource wealth it seems.

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The whole idea of a linear city is daft. A circle is way more efficient at getting around. The dimensions of the Line are, of course, silly as well.

Is that actually true from a transportation physics perspective? I can’t imagine that a curved tram/train/etc. would be able to accelerate and decelerate as efficiently as one on a straight path.

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Saudi Arabia has this weird affinity for these completely ridiculous sci-fi projects that are proposed as actual non-fantasy developments. See the Mukaab for another example.

> Saudi Arabia has this weird affinity for these completely ridiculous sci-fi projects

Same reason Egypt is building a decadent new capital: it lets the ruler pay off his supporters.

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The whole idea of a linear city is daft. A circle is way more efficient at getting around. The dimensions of the Line are, of course, silly as well.

Is that actually true from a transportation physics perspective? I can’t imagine that a curved tram/train/etc. would be able to accelerate and decelerate as efficiently as one on a straight path.

A tram or even regular trains would not have to be very fast for those distances and for faster trains we already have the technology to lean into curves - it‘s quite common in Europe. And why not build a radial subway to get on to the opposing side of a circular city? (And why build this nonsense in a desert at all?)

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> I'm surprised not to see the article mention the previous report[1] about the three men who were sentenced to death, the killing of one, and the decades long prison sentences for others It's a small number of people, who are opposing known tyrants, foolishly. The ruling class can kill and enslave, at will. The indentured servitude imposed on thousands of immigrants who built and maintain it, is much more concerning…

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> Hating jews never went out of fashion in the muslim world.

Anti-semitism is a European invention that had to be imported to the middle east. One could argue it never went out of fashion anywhere.

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Is that actually true from a transportation physics perspective? I can’t imagine that a curved tram/train/etc. would be able to accelerate and decelerate as efficiently as one on a straight path.

A tram or even regular trains would not have to be very fast for those distances and for faster trains we already have the technology to lean into curves - it‘s quite common in Europe. And why not build a radial subway to get on to the opposing side of a circular city? (And why build this nonsense in a desert at all?)

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That comes unexpected. I really would like to see how this works out. It's a possible way of living in the future. If the earth becomes more fiendly, such cities would offer autonomous compounds for the people. Now i would like to know if somebody is building the ARCs ...

“unexpected”

That is not the word I or most of HN would have used…

It’s a sad state of the world that this delusional lunatic is dictator of a $1T GDP country instead of everyone else that understands this is a stupid idea.

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Saudi Arabia has this weird affinity for these completely ridiculous sci-fi projects that are proposed as actual non-fantasy developments. See the Mukaab for another example.

> Saudi Arabia has this weird affinity for these completely ridiculous sci-fi projects Same reason Egypt is building a decadent new capital: it lets the ruler pay off his supporters.

Bingo. The boondoggle is meant as a cover for naked cash transfer. It's a thinly veiled excuse and it's meant to fail. Maintaining it doesn't generate the cash transfers of the desired magnitude

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Gall's Law holds true > A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that worked. A complex system designed from scratch never works and cannot be patched up to make it work. You have to start over with a working simple system.

Brazilia does OK.

Lol. No it doesn't. It's a nightmare of inefficient transportation, corruption and crime. The most violent city in Brazil (!) is just outside the Federal District around Brasília.
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