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Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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What is being claimed here?

'granted programmatic access to FB user's inboxes' could mean a lot of things. What privileges? I read the article and still can't tell.

I don't believe that Meta allowed Netflix to read messages that a user sent or received, but that seems to be what they're implying.

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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I don't recall this potential bombshell (maybe because it was shortly before a Christmas, and the NYT headline looked like just more of the same ol'): > And in 2018, Facebook told Vox that it doesn't use private messages for ad targeting. But a few months later, The New York Times, citing "hundreds of pages of Facebook documents," reported that Facebook "gave Netflix and Spotify the ability to read Facebook users’ pr…

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Care to back that up with any citations, or should everyone just take it on faith that what a throwaway says isn’t made up?

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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Care to back that up with any citations, or should everyone just take it on faith that what a throwaway says isn’t made up?

Facebook is organized as a for profit company.

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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so you agree then that “private” messages aren’t private on fb? i don’t know how to interpret this in a way that isn’t terrible for fb users…

If you give access to your chat as the parent poster claims, why are you surprised that Netflix has access?

it’s disingenuous to think that users read and fully understand the various permission scopes of a service. “private” has an unambiguous meaning—playing the “well, technically” card falls pretty flat imo.

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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This is one of the litany of bad things that happens when antitrust precident is ignored and we allow a small number of companies to become large enough to dominate the economy.

So are you claiming Netflix is a “monopoly” and if so, how would you break them up? The same question for Facebook. This is a case of possible “collusion” not anti trust

open protocols in the case of Facebook and banning studios from owning/exclusivity with distributors in the case of Netflix.

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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If you give access to your chat as the parent poster claims, why are you surprised that Netflix has access?

You would expect that giving permission to send specific pre-approved messages does not imply permission to read everything you've ever said to anyone or they've said to you.. Right?

That's not what the feature was. The feature was that you could use Messenger inside Netflix and Spotify to chat with your friends without leaving those apps. If you opted into using Messenger to chat with your friends inside Spotify, I'm confused why you think Spotify couldn't access your messages, given that Messenger was unencrypted at the time and you were running it inside Spotify. How else would the feature work? It's Messenger running inside Spotify; just like how iOS has access to the unencrypted files and network traffic of any app on your iPhone, Spotify could access any of the unencrypted files or network traffic in Spotify.

It's a dumb feature and I'm glad they killed it, but the "gotcha" here isn't much of a gotcha IMO. It was an opt-in feature to use Messenger inside these other apps; of course the other apps could see your messages if you opted into that. It's like complaining that GMail "shares your private email" with Apple Mail if you use Apple Mail as your mail client.

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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Care to back that up with any citations, or should everyone just take it on faith that what a throwaway says isn’t made up?

It's both true and false. They don't do advertising with msg, and it's e2e encrypted. But they can use the metadata

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

#38

The article skips a lot of context to make it sound significantly worse than reality. Facebook didn't just randomly give Netflix access to everyone's messages. Specific user would need to purposefully log in to the Netflix app with their Facebook account in order to grant Netflix access to the chat functionality (intended to send movie recommendations to Facebook friends inside the Netflix app). https://about.fb.com/…

And if a user consented to Netflix-based chat, Facebook overshared all chat data, instead of only the Netflix chat data, because they couldn't be bothered to build a properly isolated API?

That's like asking permission to read and write your entire phone, just to provide the ability to write and read back a file.

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would expect that giving permission to send specific pre-approved messages does not imply permission to read everything you've ever said to anyone or they've said to you.. Right?

That's not what the feature was. The feature was that you could use Messenger inside Netflix and Spotify to chat with your friends without leaving those apps. If you opted into using Messenger to chat with your friends inside Spotify, I'm confused why you think Spotify couldn't access your messages, given that Messenger was unencrypted at the time and you were running it inside Spotify. How else would the feature wor…

Think about the difference between accessing these specific messages, and accessing all messages.

Re: Facebook let Netflix see user DMs, quit streaming to keep Netflix happy

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The article skips a lot of context to make it sound significantly worse than reality. Facebook didn't just randomly give Netflix access to everyone's messages. Specific user would need to purposefully log in to the Netflix app with their Facebook account in order to grant Netflix access to the chat functionality (intended to send movie recommendations to Facebook friends inside the Netflix app). https://about.fb.com/…

So... this sounds like OAuth, with a nice consent scene that says I'm giving Netflix this access to my FB DNs. That's what you mean, right? Otherwise, what the fuck is the difference?.

And really, as if this makes anything better, wow. Imagine having the feeling of obligation that you have to stick your neck out over this. Just take your over-sized salary and be happy knowing you work for one of the worst companies of our time. (despite my tone, at this point, I honestly say that without judgement, just ... own it.)

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