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Scientists traced a mysterious Covid case back to six toilets

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Re: Scientists traced a mysterious Covid case back to six toilets

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> There is nothing that can help us "end" the SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) outbreak. We could massively mitigate its effects to the point we could actually live with the virus without risking the often debilitating effects it can have. On a societal/systemic level: HEPA air filters in hospitals, care homes, public transport, schools, churches, generally any indoors place where large amounts of people gather would not just d…

It seems clear at this point that Covid (the latest variants in the wild, at any rate) does not cause "often debilitating effects", and so any mitigation must have its costs, which are very high for any easily-transmissible respiratory illness, weighed against its benefits, which are pretty low. Remember: "there are no solutions, only tradeoffs." Otherwise, we should just plug everyone into VR pods a la The Matrix an…

> It seems clear at this point that Covid (the latest variants in the wild, at any rate) does not cause "often debilitating effects"

“Patients with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) present increased risk for ischemic cardiovascular complications up to 1 year after infection.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s44161-023-00336-5

“Approximately 1 in 5 individuals exhibited cognitive impairment 12 or more weeks following COVID-19 diagnosis.“

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S088915912...

Re: Scientists traced a mysterious Covid case back to six toilets

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There is nothing that can help us "end" the SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) outbreak. A highly infectious respiratory virus with multiple animal reservoirs can't be eradicated or even really contained. At this point it's just one more of several endemic human coronaviruses and will always be around in some variants, much like HCoV-OC43.

> There is nothing that can help us "end" the SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) outbreak. We could massively mitigate its effects to the point we could actually live with the virus without risking the often debilitating effects it can have. On a societal/systemic level: HEPA air filters in hospitals, care homes, public transport, schools, churches, generally any indoors place where large amounts of people gather would not just d…

An interesting point from a family member who works in residential / commercial HVAC - there's enough of an improvement from installing high efficiency air filters that they can pay for themselves in increased student attendance.

Re: Scientists traced a mysterious Covid case back to six toilets

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Covid is supposedly a respiratory tract infection, so who'd be expecting it to only show up in the gut? It seems they still don't know whether that is in fact the explanation.

> Covid is supposedly a respiratory tract infection, so who'd be expecting it to only show up in the gut? That's the thing with SARS-CoV-2. It's primarily transmitted by aerosols, but it has also been shown to be transmitted via smearing. It's primarily a respiratory tract infection, but it has also been shown to have intestinal, cardiovascular and neurological impact as well as persistence in these tissues [1]. And…

7 million people is 0.1% of the population.

Approximately 1% of the population die per year.

You think that's a big number, but it's not. People die.

Re: Scientists traced a mysterious Covid case back to six toilets

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post #29

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It seems clear at this point that Covid (the latest variants in the wild, at any rate) does not cause "often debilitating effects", and so any mitigation must have its costs, which are very high for any easily-transmissible respiratory illness, weighed against its benefits, which are pretty low. Remember: "there are no solutions, only tradeoffs." Otherwise, we should just plug everyone into VR pods a la The Matrix an…

> It seems clear at this point that Covid (the latest variants in the wild, at any rate) does not cause "often debilitating effects" “Patients with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) present increased risk for ischemic cardiovascular complications up to 1 year after infection.” https://www.nature.com/articles/s44161-023-00336-5 “Approximately 1 in 5 individuals exhibited cognitive impairment 12 or more weeks followi…

How does this compare to other viral infections?

And neither of those sound debilitating by the way.

Re: Scientists traced a mysterious Covid case back to six toilets

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> It seems clear at this point that Covid (the latest variants in the wild, at any rate) does not cause "often debilitating effects" “Patients with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) present increased risk for ischemic cardiovascular complications up to 1 year after infection.” https://www.nature.com/articles/s44161-023-00336-5 “Approximately 1 in 5 individuals exhibited cognitive impairment 12 or more weeks followi…

How does this compare to other viral infections? And neither of those sound debilitating by the way.

From the second link:

> COVID-19 is associated with clinically significant symptoms despite resolution of the acute infection (i.e., post-COVID-19 syndrome). Fatigue and cognitive impairment are amongst the most common and debilitating symptoms of post-COVID-19 syndrome.

Re: Scientists traced a mysterious Covid case back to six toilets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It seems clear at this point that Covid (the latest variants in the wild, at any rate) does not cause "often debilitating effects" “Patients with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) present increased risk for ischemic cardiovascular complications up to 1 year after infection.” https://www.nature.com/articles/s44161-023-00336-5 “Approximately 1 in 5 individuals exhibited cognitive impairment 12 or more weeks followi…

How does this compare to other viral infections? And neither of those sound debilitating by the way.

If it isn't different, that's a stronger arguement that the tradeoffs are worthwhile.

Re: Scientists traced a mysterious Covid case back to six toilets

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How does this compare to other viral infections? And neither of those sound debilitating by the way.

From the second link: > COVID-19 is associated with clinically significant symptoms despite resolution of the acute infection (i.e., post-COVID-19 syndrome). Fatigue and cognitive impairment are amongst the most common and debilitating symptoms of post-COVID-19 syndrome.

That's comparing to no infection and doesn't answer their question.
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