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Please Don't Become Anything, Especially Not A Programmer

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Re: Please Don't Become Anything, Especially Not A Programmer

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Great post. You should never identify yourself with what you do. You could do anything you want if are passionate about something, ignore everyone claims you can't.

Sure you can do anything you want, but the better you are at something: a) the more enjoyable and rewarding it is for you AND b) the more efficiently you can generate something useful for others; with any activity, there is an opportunity cost

That said, learning coding is self-limiting activity; those who enjoy it and have a knack for it will continue, those that don't will stop.

My only concern, which is a general one, is that humans are pretty good at self-deception, especially in subjective areas. Look at how many people think they can sing, for example. The shattering of their illusions has been turned into entertainment, and for many people this is obviously traumatic.

I have a completely non-technical friend trying to learn javascript. When I asked why, she told me she wanted to write games. As her friend, should I save her feelings and say nothing (and let her squander her time and end up confused and frustrated) or try and reason with her (and then look like a killjoy for seemingly criticising her efforts)?

Currently I've taken the former option, but still agonise over whether this is the 'right' way or not.

Re: Please Don't Become Anything, Especially Not A Programmer

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post #22
post #14

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meh they're all about defending their own piece of meat. Sacha talks about his book, zedshaw talks about his books.

Damn straight, because I actually care about this stuff. I mean, for all the talk on here about "passion" y'all sure do hate it when people actually are passionate.

you could be talking about this stuff and be passionate about it without talking about your books. I understand why you do though.

Re: Please Don't Become Anything, Especially Not A Programmer

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post #3

I learned to code from your book Zed. I was disappointed by Jeff's article (Who is usually a nice man). You wrote this post at a right time with right points. My appreciation is triple-folded. Take a bow, Zed.

Thanks, it's actually something I've been meaning to write about for a while, so Jeff just gave me a good reason. :-)

Great respect for your works, in particular the books. But it's sad to see not much progress (at least on the public side) of Mongrel2.

Re: Please Don't Become Anything, Especially Not A Programmer

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post #19

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Of all the posts pointing what Jeff's flaw in logic was. The one post attacking his person instead, saying he's just a mindless bully that should be ignored. Is the most insightful?

Yes, because that's how life goes. I'm not going to attack the logic of an article that is illogical, I'm going to talk about the hypocrisy of the person writing it. The human stuff matters much more than the fantasy world of "logic".

Hypocrisy? Aren't you selling some ebooks and Jeff's post is kinda bad for your business?

Re: Please Don't Become Anything, Especially Not A Programmer

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While the "Don't Become Anything" thing is valuable (after all it's a thousands of years old insight that can be found in Buddhism for example), the article looks pretty much like a straw man to me. The original post was arguing that "coding" isn't an essential life skill in the way for example reading is and that massive amounts of new coders might not be that good for the world. How is this refuted here in any way?…

Yeah, I'm a little surprised this bit of vitriol made it to the top of HN.

Re: Please Don't Become Anything, Especially Not A Programmer

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It is funny to see how different people interpreted the original post.

For me it was about coding being a craft and not a necessary skill like arithmetics, reading or a secondary languages. (This is true not only for coding but for nearly every craft there is.)

So I think it was more a post against the "Every one should learn to code, for a better world" movement (if there is such a thing) than a keep on doing what you do and stay away from my craft post.

While I thing bloomberg should be able to do what ever he wants in his free time. I agree with the assessment that it will be highly unlikely that leaning to code will make a difference in his daily work.

So while this reaction was a entertaining read I think it was reacting to something that wasn't be said.

Re: Please Don't Become Anything, Especially Not A Programmer

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because that's how life goes. I'm not going to attack the logic of an article that is illogical, I'm going to talk about the hypocrisy of the person writing it. The human stuff matters much more than the fantasy world of "logic".

Hypocrisy? Aren't you selling some ebooks and Jeff's post is kinda bad for your business?

He also provides all of his books, in their entirety, for free on his website. He even lets you see his "beta" books, Learn C the Hardway, Learn SQL The Hardway, etc.
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