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Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by ronsor »

stale2002 wrote: post #24
api wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire AI industry is powered by piracy at a massive scale. Very little training data is properly licensed or compensated. It's just more obvious with open models because we can investigate them. Closed models are sausages and we don't know what went in. Download a movie and you can get sued or your Internet connection terminated, but pirate the entire collective output of humanity and sell it back to us from beh…

> The entire AI industry is powered by piracy at a massive scale. Forget about AI. Instead it is almost the entire art industry, wholesale! The semi-professional online art commissioning market is almost entirely copyright infringing fan art works, being sold without permission of IP owner. Yes, fan art is infringing. Especially when it is sold. And if you go to a convention center, to the artists section, you will s…

I'm perfectly fine with getting rid of AI... if all fan artists paid the statutory and actual damages for their infringing activities.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by ronsor »

__loam wrote: post #2

Stability always seemed like a dark horse thanks to the reputation of their founder and their open source business model. I do get some schadenfreude from seeing them like this considering the damage many feel they've done to the art community. E: -4 in 10 minutes. Stay classy hackernews. I hope this company and OpenAI choke on the algorithmic disgorgement when the law catches up.

The "art community" did most of the damage to itself.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by cma »

api wrote: post #5
__loam wrote: post #2

Stability always seemed like a dark horse thanks to the reputation of their founder and their open source business model. I do get some schadenfreude from seeing them like this considering the damage many feel they've done to the art community. E: -4 in 10 minutes. Stay classy hackernews. I hope this company and OpenAI choke on the algorithmic disgorgement when the law catches up.

The entire AI industry is powered by piracy at a massive scale. Very little training data is properly licensed or compensated. It's just more obvious with open models because we can investigate them. Closed models are sausages and we don't know what went in. Download a movie and you can get sued or your Internet connection terminated, but pirate the entire collective output of humanity and sell it back to us from beh…

> questionably-trained models being declared uncopyrightable and forced to be released

I think uncopyrightable is a likely outcome, but where are you coming up with forced to be released?

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by __loam »

pelagicAustral wrote: post #25
__loam wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. It's clear this community isn't open to critical views on this topic.

Maybe this community is more open to objective analysis of the articles that are shared, and no so much of passional arguments that benefit no one.

Okay. Objectively, there are several ongoing lawsuits regarding this technology and its use of unlicensed data. Fair use is not as clear cut a case as many here would have you believe, and that's the opinion of many lawyers. Nilay Patel of the verge, who has a law degree, had a conversation about this with another lawyer on his podcast recently and it seems like the legal community is much less hopeful about it than people whose paycheck might rely on this technology.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by shagie »

pksebben wrote: post #16
ruleryak wrote: post #13

Archived non paywall copy of the article: https://archive.is/iRIlp

Cheers to you, good citizen. I wish more people started with such links rather than waiting for someone else to make it easy to have a discussion.

It makes searching for repeated or similar articles difficult.

For example - https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=forbes.com/sites/iain...

Linking to archive (which incidentally gets into loops for me with the captcha) means that I can't see the original article either (or use other methods to try to find reproductions).

Meanwhile, even though I hit the "please get a subscription" for Forbes, I can click the reader mode and read the page in its entirety.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by hanniabu »

api wrote: post #5
__loam wrote: post #2

Stability always seemed like a dark horse thanks to the reputation of their founder and their open source business model. I do get some schadenfreude from seeing them like this considering the damage many feel they've done to the art community. E: -4 in 10 minutes. Stay classy hackernews. I hope this company and OpenAI choke on the algorithmic disgorgement when the law catches up.

The entire AI industry is powered by piracy at a massive scale. Very little training data is properly licensed or compensated. It's just more obvious with open models because we can investigate them. Closed models are sausages and we don't know what went in. Download a movie and you can get sued or your Internet connection terminated, but pirate the entire collective output of humanity and sell it back to us from beh…

> The entire AI industry is powered by piracy

Just like all art. When you draw something you don't cite every single thing you've seen and experienced in life that inspired your drawing and style. Nor did you own or pay royalties to all that inspiration either.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by pksebben »

mvdtnz wrote: post #18
pksebben wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cheers to you, good citizen. I wish more people started with such links rather than waiting for someone else to make it easy to have a discussion.

That's a violation of HN guidelines.

Is it really? TIL, thanks.

edit: Arguable. I assume your referring to:

Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter.

...and I might argue that an archive of the original is just as good, judging by the verbiage referring to "If a post reports on...". Archive links don't change, remove, or add any context, they just make it accessible.

I suppose if we wanted to know this in specifics, it'd be a question for dang.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by CaptainFever »

stale2002 wrote: post #24
api wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire AI industry is powered by piracy at a massive scale. Very little training data is properly licensed or compensated. It's just more obvious with open models because we can investigate them. Closed models are sausages and we don't know what went in. Download a movie and you can get sued or your Internet connection terminated, but pirate the entire collective output of humanity and sell it back to us from beh…

> The entire AI industry is powered by piracy at a massive scale. Forget about AI. Instead it is almost the entire art industry, wholesale! The semi-professional online art commissioning market is almost entirely copyright infringing fan art works, being sold without permission of IP owner. Yes, fan art is infringing. Especially when it is sold. And if you go to a convention center, to the artists section, you will s…

I'm glad someone brought this up. Artists, especially fan artists, will only hurt themselves if they advocate for classifying transformative works as infringing. Fan art has been so normalised that people have forgotten that it used to be considered legally dubious. Better to advocate for reskilling and social safety nets; automation affects everyone, not just them.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by liuliu »

blueblisters wrote: post #27

SD3.0 looks really good and will probably displace a lot of closed image generation models once it's out. I don't understand why Stability gets so little support from the community. They released the first usable open-source models and their models are the foundation of the most interesting AI-bashing workflows out there - VC funded or otherwise.

Yeah. It is weird. On one hand, v3 looks really good, the arch is sound, and the work is solid. On the other hand, selling Clipdrop is not a good sign (a growing startup divest is uncommon). Emad likes to talk about how they were able to retain researchers and now this, so it is hard to know what's going on.
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