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First 'cyberflasher' convicted under UK's new law, gets more than 5 years prison

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Re: First 'cyberflasher' convicted under UK's new law, gets more than 5 years prison

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Not his first time. He was already a registered sex offender. Seems he didn’t learn his lesson.

I don't think the first time or not distinction should change your sentence by more than... let's say a year.

He plead guilty to violating the terms of his probation, meaning he committed the crime knowing what the penalties would be.

Re: First 'cyberflasher' convicted under UK's new law, gets more than 5 years prison

#32

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I don't think the first time or not distinction should change your sentence by more than... let's say a year.

He plead guilty to violating the terms of his probation, meaning he committed the crime knowing what the penalties would be.

How is this relevant to how long sentences should be?

I'm glad he didn't waste the court's time very much, I guess.

Re: First 'cyberflasher' convicted under UK's new law, gets more than 5 years prison

#33
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“Normal human anatomy” is what you say if someone’s swimsuit slips in the surf, not when a sex offender sends a child pictures with the intent of forcing them to think about him sexually. The difference is intent: he knew it was unwelcome, and he didn’t care about that lack of consent. Now might be a really good time to think about why your first instinct is to defend the guy committing mid-level sexual assault rathe…

sends a child pictures with the intent of forcing them to think about him sexually That's entirely the result of a cultural construct. about why your first instinct is to defend the guy Trying to turn this into an "us vs. them" situation? I was just pointing out the huge cultural differences that exist in the world beyond Western puritanism.

So you think sending dick pics to a 15 year old is chill in other cultures?

I'll keep my western puritanism, thanks.

Re: First 'cyberflasher' convicted under UK's new law, gets more than 5 years prison

#34

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He plead guilty to violating the terms of his probation, meaning he committed the crime knowing what the penalties would be.

How is this relevant to how long sentences should be? I'm glad he didn't waste the court's time very much, I guess.

Because the crime he committed and primarily was sentenced for was breaking his probation.

Presumably his probation terms included "don't commit crimes" so the cyberflasher law is only relevant as it was the crime he did to break his probation

Re: First 'cyberflasher' convicted under UK's new law, gets more than 5 years prison

#35
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In some cultures, recipients of such pictures would probably just laugh and be at most confused. In others, the population is conditioned to be offended to the point of making it highly illegal. It doesn't even sound like this case is about mutilated or otherwise abnormally disturbing imagery; merely normal human anatomy.

how many pictures of genitals did you receive when you were 15?

I can't tell which direction you are going with on this because the honest answer is a lot, and all my friends too. I remember a girl friend of mine in high school (we were 15) showing me a video of a grown man jerking off and she said he was married but they'd been cheating together.

Sadly, not terribly uncommon

Re: First 'cyberflasher' convicted under UK's new law, gets more than 5 years prison

#36

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How is this relevant to how long sentences should be? I'm glad he didn't waste the court's time very much, I guess.

Because the crime he committed and primarily was sentenced for was breaking his probation. Presumably his probation terms included "don't commit crimes" so the cyberflasher law is only relevant as it was the crime he did to break his probation

The punishment for breaking probation should mostly be going back to prison. Over five years is way too much for that.

Either way, if that's the case then this story is extremely misleading.

Re: First 'cyberflasher' convicted under UK's new law, gets more than 5 years prison

#37

In some cultures, recipients of such pictures would probably just laugh and be at most confused. In others, the population is conditioned to be offended to the point of making it highly illegal. It doesn't even sound like this case is about mutilated or otherwise abnormally disturbing imagery; merely normal human anatomy.

Did you mean "subcultures"? Can't remember any modern culture which would generally see it as a confusing joke.

Re: First 'cyberflasher' convicted under UK's new law, gets more than 5 years prison

#38
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>The Malicious Communications Act covers sending anything else with the intent of causing "distress or anxiety". So sending a photo of a steak to a vegan would get you 5 years in prison? I'm glad I don't live in the UK and I'm glad they left the EU so their idiotic laws won't poison EU laws.

> sending a photo of a steak to a vegan would get you 5 years in prison? Two issues. The question is what was your intent. Proving that it was sent with the intent of causing distress or anxiety is much harder in that case. For example I don’t know a single vegan who would react with distress or anxiety to the image of a steak. That is just nonsense. They would just say “yuck”. But if from the circumstances it is cle…

Why do you want the option to have someone arrested for offending you?

Re: First 'cyberflasher' convicted under UK's new law, gets more than 5 years prison

#39
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Normal human anatomy” is what you say if someone’s swimsuit slips in the surf, not when a sex offender sends a child pictures with the intent of forcing them to think about him sexually. The difference is intent: he knew it was unwelcome, and he didn’t care about that lack of consent. Now might be a really good time to think about why your first instinct is to defend the guy committing mid-level sexual assault rathe…

sends a child pictures with the intent of forcing them to think about him sexually That's entirely the result of a cultural construct. about why your first instinct is to defend the guy Trying to turn this into an "us vs. them" situation? I was just pointing out the huge cultural differences that exist in the world beyond Western puritanism.

It’s not just “Western Puritanism” to recognize that a photo of genitalia usually has a sexual context – the point of cropping it so tightly is to focus on that aspect! – but it’s also distracting from the real reason this is a crime: a convicted sex offender did it, by his own admission, with intent to cause distress to an unwilling participant. No matter how body positive you are, lack of consent to be part of someone else’s sexual gratification matters a lot. Even if the images were totally non-sexual in purpose - say pathology case studies in a medical textbook – consent still matters and you don’t go shoving them in other people’s faces without asking first.

You’ve been conspicuously non-specific about the other cultures you’re claiming would be okay with this, perhaps you could give an example and explain why it’s better?

Re: First 'cyberflasher' convicted under UK's new law, gets more than 5 years prison

#40

In some cultures, recipients of such pictures would probably just laugh and be at most confused. In others, the population is conditioned to be offended to the point of making it highly illegal. It doesn't even sound like this case is about mutilated or otherwise abnormally disturbing imagery; merely normal human anatomy.

Look at the law in Vermont. There's no law against nudity (there are local laws in some places, though!) but there is a law against undressing in public. Nudity legal, flashing is not. This guy was flashing. I think Vermont got it right. I believe your right to dress as you want exceeds my right to dictate how you dress. But that does *not* mean you get to involve me in your sex games.
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