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Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by sylens »

nolok wrote: post #16
actionfromafar wrote: post #7

Windows aint that bad? But then, I'm occasionally reminded that if you don't have a corporate IT dept. jealously vetting every update, and instead use the shivers Super Happy Consumer Pachinko Edition Windows, things are very different.

Let me preface by saying that unlike many others here, I'm using windows on purpose, on my main machine, because I like it, and that since W95. And I'm still using it right now. I like how it's in a sort of spot between great customized but closed down experience of OSX, and completely open but very messy even today of Linux. But for a long time, Windows struggled with some broken internals and screwed up stuff, driv…

I feel like 7 is really the last time I truly enjoyed using Windows. The additions felt like all net positives for my workflow (jumplists from the taskbar, thumbnail previews of taskbar windows, Aero Snap, VHD boot). Over time they have muddied it up with bad UIs or feature regressions. It just feels like a ship aimlessly floating around in the water with no real direction or destination in mind.

Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by masfoobar »

theyeenzbeanz wrote: post #2

As soon as the copilot garbage was installed on my computer without asking , I made sure to quickly update group policies and registry to disable it. Just yesterday it popped up the dialog asking me to try out copilot again. Just another case of windows “forgetting” settings.

copilot was installed on my computer a few weeks ago.

I turn on my laptop and login... and there is was, waving at me at the bottom of the screen... "Here I am, try me!" type of thing.

[I know, it was not "waving at me" but it was made obvious by popups]

Surprisingly, I was not angry or even thought to myself "I did not install this!"

I think that says alot about my views on Windows.. or Microsoft in general. I am actually a GNU/Linux user but I do have 1 laptop purely for one company I work for. I am slowly moving it away from Windows (Windows Servers, Windows Programs, etc) to run on Linux.

As far as I am concerned, any job I get that are using Windows... they need to provide me a laptop.

Honestly just fed up it. I just accept that I really do not "own" my copy of Windows.

Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by PretzelPirate »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #22

OpenAI free version of GPT3(3.5) is pretty decent. For $20/month you can get access to OpenAI GPT4 (if memory serves). I can use Bing GPT4 for free (at least for a while). I would expect GPT4 to be better than the older version, yet the Bing version seems markedly worse than the OpenAI version. Are they trained on different sets of data? Why is one so much worse?

I dont know if this is causing the difference in your experience, but Microsoft puts a lot of guardrails around their GPT deployments to avoid giving "harmful" answers, so you do often get worse results than you do asking OpenAI's deployments the same question.

Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by tehbeard »

krastanov wrote: post #21
tehbeard wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Software compatibility. - Wanting upgradable hardware that doesn't require new machine + $1000 expense atop it for double the RAM. - JACK/ASLA/PulseAudio/GStreamer audio madness shouldn't be forced on mortal man.

Those are perfectly fine reasons, but I just wanted to share my experience as maybe things are better since last time you used the other popular OS that permits upgradable hardware: - Thanks to infusion from Valve, Wine now works really well. The recent game Helldivers 2 constantly crashes on my friends's Windows PCs, but it has not crashed for me. The Windows users are asking a Linux user to host the game! - This wi…

> ...now there is yet another...

https://xkcd.com/927/

re: Bluetooh, my experience with it on Pop_OS! with PipeWire has been, not great.

Something in that stack seems to often misunderstand that when I switch from HDMI -> bluetooth headphones, I want the sound going to the headphones..

VLC, Firefox, even Steam seem to run into this so it doesn't appear to be isolated to a particular program.

Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by FridgeSeal »

krastanov wrote: post #23
FridgeSeal wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because until game devs will even try to support Linux, I’m sort of stuck with it. Steam has done gods work with proton, and many games run shockingly well under it, but many game devs refuse to support Linux games (as usual, indie’s are the best) and do things as trivial as ticking the “enable EAC button on Linux”, gaming on Linux is a frustrating experience at times.

I game fairly regularly. I have given up on VR on Linux (valve gave up on it), and anti-cheat systems mostly do not work on Linux (valve is making some progress there). Everything else works perfectly for me, frequently with fewer crashes than the Windows systems of my friends.

The most annoying things about the anti-cheat stuff is that:

- most of them don’t even work

- EAC has Linux support, devs literally just need to tick a box in their configs. It’s so straightforward. EAC is junk for a bunch of other reasons, but that’s a side topic.

I’ve gotten many games to work shockingly well - even multiplayer ones, but the performance is like, 10-20 fps below the windows version (different m2, same computer),

Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by krastanov »

pokot0 wrote: post #30
FridgeSeal wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because until game devs will even try to support Linux, I’m sort of stuck with it. Steam has done gods work with proton, and many games run shockingly well under it, but many game devs refuse to support Linux games (as usual, indie’s are the best) and do things as trivial as ticking the “enable EAC button on Linux”, gaming on Linux is a frustrating experience at times.

The PC gaming market is 99% Windows. Ofc Indies and mid sized studios ignore Linux and Mac. You have to convince customers to use Linux first. Chicken/Egg problem. You can't expect Indies to solve it. If anything, all the proton/deck work Valve did, gives Indies one more reason to not support Linux natively (game works on Linux anyway).

I believe OP said the opposite with regards to indies. In my experience indie games are the ones that run fine on Linux. Big studio games are not too bad either, but not as consistent.

Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by perihelions »

altairprime wrote: post #36
perihelions wrote: post #5

Duplicate of another story on the front page, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39742058 ( "Microsoft again bothers Chrome users with Bing popup ads in Windows" )

Email this to the mods and they can merge the stories!

Alright, I'll try that next time and see what happens!

Re: Microsoft pushes Bing, GPT-4 in Chrome pop-up adverts

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Post by actionfromafar »

loudmax wrote: post #28
nolok wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me preface by saying that unlike many others here, I'm using windows on purpose, on my main machine, because I like it, and that since W95. And I'm still using it right now. I like how it's in a sort of spot between great customized but closed down experience of OSX, and completely open but very messy even today of Linux. But for a long time, Windows struggled with some broken internals and screwed up stuff, driv…

This kind of behavior is to be expected from a monopoly. And I understand where you're coming from about that sweet spot between restricted Apple hardware and troubleshooting Linux drivers. Windows may not be an absolute monopoly, but they're effectively close enough that they can make user hostile moves and their customers have no choice but to go along. Microsoft under Nadella currently seems to be under the most c…

But the funny thing is that where they have a monopoly is in the enterprise. And Windows is quite decent there.

Where they do not have a monopoly is on consumer PCs. I guess "PC gaming" is still a monopoly of sorts, but that could change soon.

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