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Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]

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#31
Aaron Swartz articulated the problems with gatekeeping of knowledge.

    Information is power. But like all power, there are those who want to keep it
    for themselves. The world's entire scientific and cultural heritage, published
    over centuries in books and journals, is increasingly being digitized and locked
    up by a handful of private corporations. Want to read the papers featuring the
    most famous results of the sciences? You'll need to send enormous amounts to
    publishers like Reed Elsevier.

    There are those struggling to change this. The Open Access Movement has fought
    valiantly to ensure that scientists do not sign their copyrights away but
    instead ensure their work is published on the Internet, under terms that allow
    anyone to access it. But even under the best scenarios, their work will only
    apply to things published in the future.  Everything up until now will have been
    lost.

    That is too high a price to pay. Forcing academics to pay money to read the work
    of their colleagues? Scanning entire libraries but only allowing the folks at
    Google to read them?  Providing scientific articles to those at elite
    universities in the First World, but not to children in the Global South? It's
    outrageous and unacceptable.

    "I agree," many say, "but what can we do? The companies hold the copyrights,
    they make enormous amounts of money by charging for access, and it's perfectly
    legal — there's nothing we can do to stop them." But there is something we can,
    something that's already being done: we can fight back.

    Those with access to these resources — students, librarians, scientists — you
    have been given a privilege. You get to feed at this banquet of knowledge while
    the rest of the world is locked out. But you need not — indeed, morally, you
    cannot — keep this privilege for yourselves. You have a duty to share it with
    the world. And you have: trading passwords with colleagues, filling download
    requests for friends.

    Meanwhile, those who have been locked out are not standing idly by. You have
    been sneaking through holes and climbing over fences, liberating the information
    locked up by the publishers and sharing them with your friends.

    But all of this action goes on in the dark, hidden underground. It's called
    stealing or piracy, as if sharing a wealth of knowledge were the moral
    equivalent of plundering a ship and murdering its crew. But sharing isn't
    immoral — it's a moral imperative. Only those blinded by greed would refuse to
    let a friend make a copy.

    Large corporations, of course, are blinded by greed. The laws under which they
    operate require it — their shareholders would revolt at anything less. And the
    politicians they have bought off back them, passing laws giving them the
    exclusive power to decide who can make copies.

    There is no justice in following unjust laws. It's time to come into the light
    and, in the grand tradition of civil disobedience, declare our opposition to
    this private theft of public culture.

    We need to take information, wherever it is stored, make our copies and share
    them with the world. We need to take stuff that's out of copyright and add it to
    the archive. We need to buy secret databases and put them on the Web. We need to
    download scientific journals and upload them to file sharing networks. We need
    to fight for Guerilla Open Access.

    With enough of us, around the world, we'll not just send a strong message
    opposing the privatization of knowledge — we'll make it a thing of the past.
    Will you join us? 


    Aaron Swartz

    July 2008, Eremo, Italy
https://github.com/pablorgarcia/open-access-manifesto/blob/g...

Re: Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]

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post #6

Not a rhetorical question. Are they more affordable now in 2024 ? How much does the existence of open access journals affect the affordability overall ?

No, the price of ebooks is insane and getting worse. Libraries are somewhat of a captive market for publishers and they set insane costs & limit the number of times an ebook can be checked out before the library has to buy it again. IMO the cost of electronic materials to libraries is one of the biggest issues in our society that no one talks or knows about.

I never understood the overpricing of ebooks...

A price of a book is a price of the "data" inside (copyright) + price of paper, printing, binding, packing material and distribution

A price of an ebook is a price od the "data" inside (copyright) and the price of cheaper digital distributon.

So, you save on paper, boxes, trucks, you often also save on retailers (if you sell directly), and you want more money for that? No paper for me, and you also take resale options away.. and for more money?

Just the resaleability is a scam... if you bought it, you own it. If buying isn't owning (including reselling, reading on any device, etc.), then piracy isn't stealing.

I'm sure government regulation could solve both problems, but they're more interested in screwing the "normal people" instead.

Re: Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]

#34
post #3

I'm curious if anyone subscribes to journals they would recommend today?

Besides arxiv which is free, the last time I looked at papers properly was when I was a graduate student.

so, of course I had free access to virtually everything.

It’s not really cost effective to subscribe to an individual journal and the topics across an entire journal are not as focused as you might think.

there’s a lot of irrelevant stuff published compared to your specific research (the purpose of these papers is to publish very specific articles and you read them to help you with your own very specific research.)

Alls to say it’s an odd question because an individual wouldn’t really subscribe to a specific journal, like you would with a magazine or periodical.

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#35
post #11

Sending a working person a 14 page letter about anything expecting them to read it is wild to me. Perhaps it's the quality of my writing but my personal experience is that even being way more concise, most people wouldn't care.

I think times were a little different then; when I had a company begin 2000s, we used to send long emails with details before and after meetings, and there had less and more productive meetings because everyone read these emails/docs. Now I try to send only 1 liners, because people tend to literally only read the first line and then ram the reply button and blurb some studied remark like 'ok'. And then these same fol…

ChatGPT was imitating us, after all

Re: Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the price of ebooks is insane and getting worse. Libraries are somewhat of a captive market for publishers and they set insane costs & limit the number of times an ebook can be checked out before the library has to buy it again. IMO the cost of electronic materials to libraries is one of the biggest issues in our society that no one talks or knows about.

I never understood the overpricing of ebooks... A price of a book is a price of the "data" inside (copyright) + price of paper, printing, binding, packing material and distribution A price of an ebook is a price od the "data" inside (copyright) and the price of cheaper digital distributon. So, you save on paper, boxes, trucks, you often also save on retailers (if you sell directly), and you want more money for that?…

What's there to understand? It's capitalism 101. Producers will charge the maximum the market will bear.

Re: Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]

#37
post #11

Sending a working person a 14 page letter about anything expecting them to read it is wild to me. Perhaps it's the quality of my writing but my personal experience is that even being way more concise, most people wouldn't care.

I bet the editors read it not once, but several times. And I bet it was even noticed years later and posted on websites where many others read it, were impressed, and commented on it. Don Knuth’s letters are special.

Re: Don Knuth letter about libraries increasingly unable to afford prices (2003) [pdf]

#38
I love the veiled threat in Page 4 about Journal of Logic Programming all editors abandoning Elsevier and starting a new journal (Theory and Practice of Logic Programming (TPLP)), noting the TPLP thrived after this and Elsevier's own restart having gone off the map. Especially with the balancing note at the end saying the cost per page of this new journal wasn't much cheaper.

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#39
The story goes that one of Niels Bohr's friends visited him and found him deeply engrossed in writing an application to a fund. Surprised, the friend asked why it took so long for such a prominent scientist as Bohr to write a simple application. Bohr replied, "I'm trying to make it short, but I haven't had time yet."
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