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This is pure racism.
Boeing's 737 MAX Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers (2019)
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Re: Boeing's 737 MAX Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers (2019)
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Not that you're incorrect in all cases, but generally speaking, you do get what you pay for. SWEs who are charging $500/hr can charge $500/hr due to significant domain knowledge or overall experience, and as such their opinions and work are _worth_ that amount per hour to the market. SWEs who are charging $9/hr are either selling themselves extremely short, lack experience, or operate in an organization that doesn't allow them to negotiate their rate (in which case they should move to a new organization) and thus most likely generate lower quality results. To imply there's no relationship between the hourly rate and the quality of work is to pretend that there's no underlying reason why certain SWEs can charge premium hourly rates.
Re: Boeing's 737 MAX Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers (2019)
#33The article seems to conflate engineering salaries in a low cost of living country with the quality of the software. As I understand it, the software performed exactly as designed, forcing the nose of the plane downwards to counter the upwards torque produced by the engines being offset relative to the centre of gravity of the plane. Mentour Pilot had a great episode on the two tragic accidents. It appears that Boein…
MCAS wasn't outsourced to India LOL. People here are gullible idiots hahaha.
Yeah would almost certainly be ITAR controlled no way core tech like this gets outsourced.
Re: Boeing's 737 MAX Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers (2019)
#34The article seems to conflate engineering salaries in a low cost of living country with the quality of the software. As I understand it, the software performed exactly as designed, forcing the nose of the plane downwards to counter the upwards torque produced by the engines being offset relative to the centre of gravity of the plane. Mentour Pilot had a great episode on the two tragic accidents. It appears that Boein…
Yep, the problem with the software wasn't the implementation, it was the spec: to operate contrary to the expectations and experience of pilots.
The problem was that they didn't outsource the design spec. I doubt an externally developed design would be so contrary, with a flippant we'll document it and include it in the short brush up training.
Re: Boeing's 737 MAX Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers (2019)
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Weird take. The theme throughout has been cost cutting and poor oversight for the sole benefit of shareholder profits. A proper in house team would probably say, hey what happens when the sole sensor feeding our software is obstructed by a birthday balloon? Maybe we need an exponentially backoff instead of every 30 seconds. Maybe nose down actions shouldn't be automatically executed at low altitude. What we see playi…
birthday balloon? In front of a landing plane at 170mph?
GP is (quite reasonably) using a deliberately slightly silly example as a rhetorical flourish. I would do the same. Think of it of a stand-in or totem for all of the possibilities (from silly to very real) that leap into horrifying life in an engineer's brain when they learn that a critical system has a single point of failure.
Re: Boeing's 737 MAX Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers (2019)
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Weird take. The theme throughout has been cost cutting and poor oversight for the sole benefit of shareholder profits. A proper in house team would probably say, hey what happens when the sole sensor feeding our software is obstructed by a birthday balloon? Maybe we need an exponentially backoff instead of every 30 seconds. Maybe nose down actions shouldn't be automatically executed at low altitude. What we see playi…
birthday balloon? In front of a landing plane at 170mph?
In a safety-critical design you have to take in account what will happen if what cannot happen happens.
Re: Boeing's 737 MAX Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers (2019)
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> BM episode, flywheel of death what is this? do you have a link?
They are referencing Black Mirror but a cursory search with those keywords does not return an episode. I'm sure with a bit more searching that you can find it!
AI generated black mirror titles? Seems fitting
Re: Boeing's 737 MAX Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers (2019)
#38The article seems to conflate engineering salaries in a low cost of living country with the quality of the software. As I understand it, the software performed exactly as designed, forcing the nose of the plane downwards to counter the upwards torque produced by the engines being offset relative to the centre of gravity of the plane. Mentour Pilot had a great episode on the two tragic accidents. It appears that Boein…
The biggest problem with offshore engineering teams is their dedication to delivering exactly what you ask for. One of the qualities of a good software developer is to take the requirements and interpret what needs to happen then deliver appropriately. Delivering exactly what's written without thinking about the implications is a huge problem and one of the biggest issues I've run into working with offshore teams.
If just deliver exactly what you are told to, you aren't doing any "engineering" at all.
Re: Boeing's 737 MAX Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers (2019)
#39The article seems to conflate engineering salaries in a low cost of living country with the quality of the software. As I understand it, the software performed exactly as designed, forcing the nose of the plane downwards to counter the upwards torque produced by the engines being offset relative to the centre of gravity of the plane. Mentour Pilot had a great episode on the two tragic accidents. It appears that Boein…
Experienced engineers don’t just build things to spec. They question the spec and the human experience of using the technology.
Re: Boeing's 737 MAX Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers (2019)
#40Is this more, or less, concerning than the growing trend to outsource software to $0.03 / 1000 token AIs?
Don't worry, with chatgpt the software is going to be safer. The plane won't even take off :)
"To save us time I tasked my AI, Anton, to debug the code, and Anton decided that the best way to get rid of all SW bugs was to delete the entire codebase, which is technically and statistically the right solution to what I tasked it to do."
-Gilfoyle