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Kate image withdrawn by three news agencies amid 'manipulation' concerns

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Re: Kate image withdrawn by three news agencies amid 'manipulation' concerns

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Don't leave us hanging. Which journalist?

Just search for Kate Middleton. The (soapy) speculation is that Kate is either ill, dead, or missing for some other reason. It is quite strange to post - and then have to kill - a montage with obvious flaws when a real photo should have been so much easier.

Wow that is really soapy. That’s like Kim Jong Un level speculation.

Re: Kate image withdrawn by three news agencies amid 'manipulation' concerns

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post #11

It is very normal for professional photographers to pose subjects separately or use head shots on the body of a different photo. In this case, the lighting on all of their faces is too consistent and similar, and indicates their faces were photographed separately and then composited. You would be surprised by the number of movie star promo photos you see where they have put the actor’s head on a different subjects bo…

I know from personal experience that getting one really good picture of four people when three of them are kids is quite difficult. To be clear, by "really good" I mean everyone is eyes open, looking at the camera, with a reasonably pleasant, somewhat natural facial expression and body pose. It can be done in a single photo but it can take a lot of tries - and with kids the hit rate percentage falls rapidly after the first dozen snaps. If you aren't lucky enough to get "it" in the first couple minutes, the whole process devolves into a torturous endurance session with ever-diminishing returns which can get pretty unpleasant for all involved. The longer the session, the higher the chances a meltdown or tantrum from one of kids will end any hope of getting the photo in one shot. Occasionally the meltdown is from the photographer :-).

In my case, I just composited together a handful of the very similar shots into one photo in which everyone's eyes were open, looking at the lens, etc. Because kids can't not fidget, especially when asked to hold a pose, the registration between almost identical photos taken seconds apart is often not perfect. I'm certainly no royal watcher but for a self-posted social media photo (vs some official press or journalistic photo), this seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do, if only to spare the kids a stressful experience from which they are likely to develop resentment toward official PR duties.

Applying Occam's razor, I think this explanation is far more likely than some nefarious palace scheme (in which case, I'd expect the composite to be expertly done). The fact the composite is imperfect supports the idea it was done fairly quickly by one of the parents or one of their non-expert personal assistants and not carefully reviewed by a cabal of master media manipulators orchestrating some conspiracy.

Re: Kate image withdrawn by three news agencies amid 'manipulation' concerns

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This isn't a simple composition; entire details were ai created. You can see sections around her hair that look like stable diffusion inpainting. The texture will immediately be cut off and a very softer blurred ai generated part will continue. There are details all around the image that look like that. The jacket and both sweaters aren't original for instance. Large sections of the background on the left were clearly added in as well.

Virtually the only original parts of the image that are unmodified are the faces and hair from the neck up and fingers on the two older children. The person who made this clearly had nothing to go on.

Re: Kate image withdrawn by three news agencies amid 'manipulation' concerns

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I get the feeling that the editing was done by an IA editing tool of some kind. Here's what Google has to say about the one in their pixel 8. "If you’re trying to take a group photo, even if you take multiple shots, chances are someone is always looking away or blinking — we’ve all been there, especially if you’ve ever tried to take a photo with kids. To take the stress out of getting that perfect group shot, the new…

Yeah people say photoshop but it looks to me like some sort of phone processing. NYT article about that on the pixel 8 https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/11/technology/personaltech/g...

Probably William took several photos and then some button popped up saying something like 'enhance' which did that.

Re: Kate image withdrawn by three news agencies amid 'manipulation' concerns

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Princess of Wales: Kate apologises for Mother's Day photo 'confusion'

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68534359

    The Princess of Wales has apologised "for any confusion" her Mother's Day photograph caused, after five agencies retracted it over editing concerns.

    Catherine, in a statement posted on Kensington Palace social media, said: "Like many amateur photographers, I do occasionally experiment with editing."

    The image, taken by the Prince of Wales, was the first of Catherine to be released since her surgery in January.

Re: Kate image withdrawn by three news agencies amid 'manipulation' concerns

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post #23

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But that's not normal for journalistic photos, which are assumed to be a record of an event that actually occurred.

Is this a journalistic photo, though? It’s reportedly taken by William himself. It’s a PR photo, at best.

Good point. Where is the line bw pr and journalistic though? Is it ever ethical to alter a photo that will be seen by millions, affecting their opinions, even if for PR?

Re: Kate image withdrawn by three news agencies amid 'manipulation' concerns

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I'm hungover on a Sunday, got a link?

https://twitter.com/ellievhall

The stuff I read also claimed that the children and her parents haven’t been seen either.
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