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Job growth is booming across the U.S. but not in California. Here's why

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Living in SoCal still offers distinct advantages in terms of civil rights, a social safety net, and access to a vast number of small and large businesses (for both work and services). The entry-level job thing is compounded by requirements for degrees and experience that fully expect folks to down-skill to lower-wage roles. One factor that looms large is the gig economy: Uber/Lyft/DoorDash/etc. They've become a lynch…

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Re: Job growth is booming across the U.S. but not in California. Here's why

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Living in SoCal still offers distinct advantages in terms of civil rights, a social safety net, and access to a vast number of small and large businesses (for both work and services). The entry-level job thing is compounded by requirements for degrees and experience that fully expect folks to down-skill to lower-wage roles. One factor that looms large is the gig economy: Uber/Lyft/DoorDash/etc. They've become a lynch…

Not being beaten up by police is part of your rights, but freely deciding how you want to work with someone else, and not being forced into the gig economy, is a right too. Every state seems to have certain coalitions with way too much power, and in California it's exercised whenever well-established interests can rephrase something that benefits them in economically leftist language: "Let's all raise the wages of pi…

I think it’s funny how you’re basically criticizing the richest state for having the best policies and outcomes. Like what about Alabama? They are objectively worse at everything and they do exactly what you prescribe.

Re: Job growth is booming across the U.S. but not in California. Here's why

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California as a whole is a great place to live but I have no idea how people manage.

My biggest hangup isn't jobs but housing. You have to be a millionaire to afford a small house far away from any city. And if you decide to rent instead, then even making 200k+ you are unlikely to afford a house at all. By the time you save up a million, housing prices increasing and inflation will push you back to square one. If you go through the debt route, interest and monthly payments will drain you dry for the rest of your life (unless your plan is to start your real life at 55+). I feel like high speed railways to desirable places like cali to affordable states will sove a lot of issues.

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Prop 13 is just a huge handout to real estate investors. There’s also the fact that mortgages are no recourse, so people have even more reason to engage in RE speculation. I’m not exaggerating when I say many of my close friends own a handful of properties as their main investment choice. How can you have anything close to a free market when speculation is rewarded so much?

I’m not saying prop 13 shouldn’t apply to primary residence, but it’s insane investors can just sit on land and use that as leverage.

Re: Job growth is booming across the U.S. but not in California. Here's why

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Not being beaten up by police is part of your rights, but freely deciding how you want to work with someone else, and not being forced into the gig economy, is a right too. Every state seems to have certain coalitions with way too much power, and in California it's exercised whenever well-established interests can rephrase something that benefits them in economically leftist language: "Let's all raise the wages of pi…

> having laws passed that force a pizza parlor manager to turn their drivers into unemployed app users this sounds like an exaggeration, but I'm not familiar with the law you're referencing. what exactly are you talking about?

I think they mean minimum wage laws in general. Another comment mentioned that restaurants were reclassifying their workers as contractors to pay them less.

Describing this as restaurants being "forced" to reclassify their drivers is mildly disingenuous. There's some coercion in minimum wage laws, yes, but it does not specifically prescribe a particular solution to balancing your books. The restaurants could alternatively not offer delivery, or charge more for delivery orders. Lord knows companies are very good at passing along costs to consumers these days...

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California is full, plain and simple. The people who live there and control the land have decided so, both implicitly and explicitly.

I realized after a while of living there that California is run as a real estate cartel. Land owners who bought when the state was cheap own it, and everyone who bought later is beholden and locked in with golden handcuffs to the high price environment they created. I call it a cartel because the scarcity is 100% a policy choice. Density is not high, public transit is awful, and there is a ton of land left to develop…

Sounds like you haven’t met the Texas cartel yet! They’re nice, they are sorry about the fact that you’re going to have share a police force with 3 other districts, but they promise you can get electricity all year round this year.

Re: Job growth is booming across the U.S. but not in California. Here's why

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> “The reason why Texas and Florida are doing well and California isn’t, it’s the cost of housing and high taxes,” said Sung Won Sohn, an economist at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles. “We have lost a lot of small businesses.” This former is the crux of the problem: California entered into a suicide pact with real estate speculators in the 70s, from which it seems entirely unwilling to extricate itself. It’…

Housing non-eviction laws and policies also are rough.

I tried to look for a home there once. I watched a homeowner break in with a ladder after being evicted then the realtor showed for the viewing then stole his ladder and left.

Another said their house was for sale but the garage was occupied by people who broke in and they could not be evicted until summer was over and before it became winter. The home owner was unavailable to speak to due to health issues related to the struggles.

Found a decent place then looked up the history of the property to find it had many owners and were re-sold due to a sober living halfway house next door.

I have several other examples and many news stories similar including long commutes, higher prices/taxes, etc made moving there or owning a home to rent out a non-starter.

Re: Job growth is booming across the U.S. but not in California. Here's why

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Prop 13 is just a huge handout to real estate investors. There’s also the fact that mortgages are no recourse, so people have even more reason to engage in RE speculation. I’m not exaggerating when I say many of my close friends own a handful of properties as their main investment choice. How can you have anything close to a free market when speculation is rewarded so much? I’m not saying prop 13 shouldn’t apply to p…

a retired attorney in California said this recently.. (he is close to 80 so he recalls a lot of the context of Prop 13)

"Prop 13 is the worst thing to happen to California in a long time. It has lasting effects today. At the time, the press was full of 'tax fighter' stories about saving the poor old retirees from having their homes taken away sourced from Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association among others. This is not the real story. The real story is that big corporations in California own land and do not sell it in practice. Prop 13 froze the property tax that Corporations pay at the same time as the homeowners."

Re: Job growth is booming across the U.S. but not in California. Here's why

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> having laws passed that force a pizza parlor manager to turn their drivers into unemployed app users this sounds like an exaggeration, but I'm not familiar with the law you're referencing. what exactly are you talking about?

I think they mean minimum wage laws in general. Another comment mentioned that restaurants were reclassifying their workers as contractors to pay them less. Describing this as restaurants being "forced" to reclassify their drivers is mildly disingenuous. There's some coercion in minimum wage laws, yes, but it does not specifically prescribe a particular solution to balancing your books. The restaurants could alternat…

Low margin businesses like restaurants aren't at liberty to provide services in a more expensive way than their competitors. There's almost no "extra" money in the food service industry.

I'm not actually criticising minimum wage laws with this argument. If it applies to every possible way to hire someone, all of your competitors will have to do it too and the costs will be passed on to the consumer. I am however sharply criticizing minimum wage laws that have a tech company shaped loophole. Market forces will require every competing business to use the loophole if any of them do.

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