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Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by hkt »

dotnet00 wrote: post #22
lelanthran wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well waddya know... Looks like sometimes regulations do work better than the invisible hand of the free market. Reality: the invisible hand is simply a fist made up of all members of a cartel.

The free market was working, in the sense that there are decent options which don't use egress fees as lock-in. The issue was that the invisible hand is too slow and involves too much chaos when strong network effects (and related lock-in) become involved. Such effects weaken the presumption that competitors can be easily switched to.

> Such effects weaken the presumption that competitors can be easily switched to.

Plus, the egress fees were too damn high

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by Lucasoato »

If AWS cut most of the egress fees, not only by asking to their support, that would be the greatest thing ever happening in the cloud computing space.

A lot of multi-cloud architectures are unlikely to be designed because the egress fees are killing them. Imagine if we could host some of the infra in AWS, using S3, but keeping some machines on Hetzner, while calling other APIs hosted in azure… one day it will happen :’)

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by switch007 »

In reference to the EU legislating, Amazon will just seek/get revenue gains elsewhere. It won’t be immediate, it won’t be obvious, but it will happen.

Take EU261, which caused issues for smaller airlines, leading to less competition, increased fares. There are also claims it’s affecting safety [0]. I’m not against EU261 per se, but it’s healthy to be critical of large institutions like the EU.

People, I find, cheer about new EU legislation but then forget to look think about any consequences a few years down the road.

Where is the EU’s own critical evaluation and performance review of EU261, especially given it’s been heavily revised through case law over the years?

(FWIW, I live in Europe, I’m generally pro EU, but it’s not all roses)

[0] (obviously some bias given it’s the ERAA) https://www.eraa.org/sites/default/files/era_eu261_study_bro...

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by NorwegianDude »

> Over 90 percent of our customers already incur no data transfer expenses out of AWS because we provide 100 gigabytes per month free from AWS Regions to the internet.

Damn, that's a lot of tiny customers. 100 GB per month is less than what many use on their phone during a month. So basically, most people using AWS is definitely people who don't need it to scale.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by switch007 »

weikju wrote: post #4

> The waiver on data transfer out to the internet charges also follows the direction set by the European Data Act and is available to all AWS customers around the world and from any AWS Region. Thank you, EU, on behalf of the rest of the world

It’s way too early to thank them. Wait 5-10 years, see what effect it has on prices, competition etc

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by Hamuko »

NorwegianDude wrote: post #35

> Over 90 percent of our customers already incur no data transfer expenses out of AWS because we provide 100 gigabytes per month free from AWS Regions to the internet. Damn, that's a lot of tiny customers. 100 GB per month is less than what many use on their phone during a month. So basically, most people using AWS is definitely people who don't need it to scale.

My personal AWS account is just for storing some archive files in S3, which incurs a $0.02/month bill and which Amazon can't be bothered to charge.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by switch007 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #20
foofie wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean "bad faith"? Can you elaborate?

The law mandates egress to be free or at provider cost when two data processing services are used in parallel; AWS, OTOH, provides it free (better than is minimally required!) and to customers not protected by the law at issue (also more than required!) but only when migrating off of AWS , not when using AWS alongside another service, so (assuming it continues to charge much more than their cost for all other egress)…

It’s rare for large companies to immediately comply with the spirit of the law. See EU261 for example - airlines were dragged kicking and screaming through the courts over many years.

Amazon’s behaviour isn’t surprising, but you’re not wrong to call it out

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by mikelitoris »

lelanthran wrote: post #13
weikju wrote: post #4

> The waiver on data transfer out to the internet charges also follows the direction set by the European Data Act and is available to all AWS customers around the world and from any AWS Region. Thank you, EU, on behalf of the rest of the world

Well waddya know... Looks like sometimes regulations do work better than the invisible hand of the free market. Reality: the invisible hand is simply a fist made up of all members of a cartel.

Invisible hand works in perfect markets which never exist in reality. It is used as a smokescreen by the people with insane amounts of money who can bend the rules to their will, to convince the rest of the people how the economy works. Like most of economics

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Post by fmajid »

usr1106 wrote: post #29
usr1106 wrote: post #26

I have still lived in the obviously false belief that AWS charges for every egress byte (regular operation not take out, except Lightsail, which always had rather large quota included.) Now they claim every account has big free tier. When has that changed? Edit: My search engine found December 2021: https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2021/11/aws-price...

Replying to myself: Of course these price reductions why they suddenly charge for IPv4 addresses. To my understanding AWS does not suffer from scarcity, they have huge pools. At least for customers using a lot of egress the charging per address is probably cheaper. For small businesses with relatively little businesses but not so slim deployments with addresses hanging around on many little used or even forgotten res…

The market price for IPv4 addresses has peaked:

https://www.sidn.nl/en/news-and-blogs/are-we-past-peak-ipv4

Amazon’s move seems to be motivated by pure greed and quasi-monopoly complacency.

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