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In war for talent, 'brogrammers' will be losers

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Re: In war for talent, 'brogrammers' will be losers

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> "Companies that are inclusive, like Facebook, have an advantage in recruiting talents, says Gina Trapani" Didn't the whole brogrammer thing start at Facebook? (hint: yes).

Ooops. I hit down vote instead of up vote by accident. How do I undo it?

I upvoted the parent for you. It all evens out.

Re: In war for talent, 'brogrammers' will be losers

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could speculate meaninglessly, or, you could actually try to find out the answer to your question. In the case of Tasneem Raja, she was actually in Matt Van Horn's talk at SxSW, and was one of the folks pissed off enough to walk out of his talk (and explicitly says as much here: http://www.motherjones.com/media/2012/04/silicon-valley-brog... ). Tasneem also talked with several of the badass developer folk who bui…

Matt Van Horn != a trend. How difficult is that to understand? When everyone has to use the same obnoxious prat to extrapolate into some wider trend, maybe there isn't a wider trend . A few years back I had a female coworker who flirted with me endlessly. I stopped staying in the office late because she would always do the same. "New trend -- shegrammers and the troubles they cause". http://www.theonion.com/articles/…

I'm not sure you need me to give you a break if you're missing the trend here :)

If you read the mother jones piece, you'll notice that Matt Van Horn isn't the only data point cited. Just the exemplar that set the author off on writing about the subject. Just in the past 6 months there have been a number of instances of casual and blasé instances of chauvinism and/or sexism and then efforts to downplay the reaction.

Read the pieces and you'll see!

Re: In war for talent, 'brogrammers' will be losers

#33

It's somewhat ironic then that the brogrammer term started a Facebook (though I believe, and hope, it was in jest)

I don't know whether he invented the term, but Nick Schrock (schrockn) started the popular "Brogrammer" page on Facebook[1] and is a prominent engineer there[2].

  [1] http://www.facebook.com/getwiththebrogram (defunct)
  [2] http://www.facebook.com/Engineering/posts/128074377271161

Re: In war for talent, 'brogrammers' will be losers

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When I see "brogrammer" used I have to fight to not flip the bozo bit for that person. It's a bizarre reversal of high school, where people want to be mad at "bros" for invading the sanctity of the programming world. It's now cool to be un-cool. Creating groups to direct your ire towards for the imagined problems of the tech industry isn't going to help anyone. Solving problems is about being inclusive, not exclusive…

the imagined problems of the tech industry

Are you really making the case that there aren't any real problems in the tech industry? That's a pretty extreme stance.

Re: In war for talent, 'brogrammers' will be losers

#35

I think I'm reaching the end of my tolerance for the word "brogrammer" I don't tolerate sexism, racism, or bigotry. Period. Whether it has a catchy name or not. I have noticed that many of the attributes associated to "brogrammer" are attributes I associate with immature males. Here's the thing: I do not believe that shaming immature males is going to make them more mature. In fact, I think it's going to drive the en…

I'd take violent anarchists, Buddhists, and Nazis in a team if I could make it work.

Maybe it wouldn't work on a technology team, but it's an excellent set up for a "...walk into a bar" joke.

Re: In war for talent, 'brogrammers' will be losers

#36

It's somewhat ironic then that the brogrammer term started a Facebook (though I believe, and hope, it was in jest)

I don't know whether he invented the term, but Nick Schrock (schrockn) started the popular "Brogrammer" page on Facebook[1] and is a prominent engineer there[2]. [1] http://www.facebook.com/getwiththebrogram (defunct) [2] http://www.facebook.com/Engineering/posts/128074377271161

A thread on Quora[1] with comments from Nick suggests the term didn't originate with him. It's clear he is responsible for popularizing the term.

  [1] http://www.quora.com/Facebook-Engineering/Who-are-the-people-behind-the-Brogramming-page-on-Facebook/answer/Don-Otvos/comment/416437

Re: In war for talent, 'brogrammers' will be losers

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Tech start-ups founded by women are few and far between, but they're highly attractive to female and male candidates who don't want to join a boys' club. My best experiences have been working with, or for, women. I stumbled on these companies purely accidentally tho. I wish there was a list of companies that have a better-than-SV-average rate of women.

That's a list that I would like to see, as well. If there's a strong interest, I would be willing to collaborate on creating and maintaining one.

Re: In war for talent, 'brogrammers' will be losers

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post #5

When I see "brogrammer" used I have to fight to not flip the bozo bit for that person. It's a bizarre reversal of high school, where people want to be mad at "bros" for invading the sanctity of the programming world. It's now cool to be un-cool. Creating groups to direct your ire towards for the imagined problems of the tech industry isn't going to help anyone. Solving problems is about being inclusive, not exclusive…

the imagined problems of the tech industry Are you really making the case that there aren't any real problems in the tech industry? That's a pretty extreme stance.

Clearly not. It's just easier for journalists to write some fluffy piece about programming culture than it is to write anything profound involving numbers of whatever.

Re: In war for talent, 'brogrammers' will be losers

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> "Wanna bro down and crush some code?" What? Who would say that, ever? > San Francisco-based Klout Oh. Carry on then. "Brogrammers" are pretty hilarious though. I mean, aside from the utility of being a "warning, we're a company of homophobes and sexists" alert, I think that it started as a joke? Then, there were people that didn't realize it was a joke and started actually using it. I think that's pretty funny.

Am I missing some inside joke? what exactly is a brogrammer? :(

This is a pretty good parody (demonstration?) of a brogrammer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_AAqi0RZM

He pretty much sums up the entire team I worked with at my last job.

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