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Stock markets are booming but the good times are unlikely to last

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Re: Stock markets are booming but the good times are unlikely to last

#31

The performance of the stock market is more related to the money printing by the federal reserve than anything else. Modern economics seems to deny this, and thus will make articles like this.

M1 and the Fed's balance sheet are down since 2022, though. What "money printing" do you mean?

that's an interesting time frame. It's still up quite a lot.

Re: Stock markets are booming but the good times are unlikely to last

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

M1 and the Fed's balance sheet are down since 2022, though. What "money printing" do you mean?

The $4T that businesses got handed in march 2020, aka 20% of all USA currency ever printed. Don't think they aren't still playing with it.

But that money has already entered the stock market. It doesn't explain it now.

Interest rates are high now, so in theory investment in the stock market should be lower (and it was for a long time - see all the people investing in treasuries to get the great and safe returns)

Re: Stock markets are booming but the good times are unlikely to last

#33
post #9

No government wants a recession on their watch so printing goes on and markets keep going up

No one appears to have told Japan that for over three decades.

Thank God. This ski trip is expensive enough already

Re: Stock markets are booming but the good times are unlikely to last

#34

The stock market in America just seems to have the same function as the property market in China, it's the primary thing everyone dumps their wealth in. If one looks at stock market capitalization versus real economic output the ratio keeps creeping up. So either there's some miracle returns in the future or it's just more and more divorced from the fundamentals.

Sooo, back to gold then?

Opposite, China needs to get off land and that will allow them fiat to make up as much money as they want. Their big problem is that the workers aren't making enough money to keep the system running because it is all grifted by the state. Look at South Africa for what can happen when wealth isn't shared and the people can't support the economy because they are all too poor.

Re: Stock markets are booming but the good times are unlikely to last

#35
post #14

if technology continues to improve productivity, then the market will continue to rise accordingly.

Improving productivity isn’t perfectly aligned with what is good for tech stocks. Does Netflix want you to be more productive? Meta?

Google and Amazon maybe.

Re: Stock markets are booming but the good times are unlikely to last

#36
I'm heartened to see the comments here because they seem to support what I've slowly been realizing, which is that nobody knows what will happen next. There will always be a steady stream of people telling you both that the sky is falling and that we're on the upswing. As far as we can detect there's a near equal probability of either being true. Writers have their own biases and economic homeostasis is dependent on both extreme perspectives coexisting.

Re: Stock markets are booming but the good times are unlikely to last

#37

Experts predict 'good times will not last', and yet with a few exceptions like 2008 or 2022, prices tend to go up anyway. There is little evidence to suggest market timing works. Stock prices seemed overextended in 1996 and yet would go up for another 4 years.

This method seems to work pretty well: https://www.philosophicaleconomics.com/2013/12/the-single-gr... Unique in that it seems statistically verified. Here’s an up-to-date version of the projection: https://financial-charts.effingapp.com/

OK soooooo.... Prediction is there is going to be a correction as % holding stocks are currently close to an all-time high. So what asset am I buying right now?

Re: Stock markets are booming but the good times are unlikely to last

#38

Experts predict 'good times will not last', and yet with a few exceptions like 2008 or 2022, prices tend to go up anyway. There is little evidence to suggest market timing works. Stock prices seemed overextended in 1996 and yet would go up for another 4 years.

>Experts predict 'good times will not last', and yet with a few exceptions like 2008 or 2022, prices tend to go up anyway. There is little evidence to suggest market timing works. It took a long time for me to accept this. Go back and look at the S&P historically for any date you'd like, and it always looks like we're teetering on the edge of an abyss. That's just the nature of economic growth.

society is a never ending ponzi, as long as people keep having kids.

Re: Stock markets are booming but the good times are unlikely to last

#39
Here's the playbook:

* Predict that the good times won't last * When the economy is stable, keep posting that the bad times are around the corner * Repeat until an economic situation occurs (it does not matter how long, just keep repeating) * When an economic situation finally occurs, then say: "See. I predicted this."

Congrats, you are now an economist.

Re: Stock markets are booming but the good times are unlikely to last

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that why it is rising?

Its mostly hype, if AI shows real improvements, chatgpt would need to cost a lot more than $30/mo, considering it takes thousands per user per month.

Sorry, that went over my head: do you estimate ChatGPT costs thousands of dollars to operate per user?
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