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Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by boxed »

pooper wrote: post #19
shrx wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that easy on Android either. Rooting usually requires a factory reset and several apps (e.g. banking) will not work if they detect the system is rooted. edit: Also, in some cases you lose warranty.

The fact that you can't install apps from your own xcode and run locally (used to be at all now I guess seven day limit) is silly. On Android, with Android 12, we can now have apps on neostore (fdroid frontend) auto update. There is no good reason to defend apple here. You as a user are always free to not install third party app stores.

> The fact that you can't install apps from your own xcode

...I do right now. So that isn't a fact. It's a myth.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by charcircuit »

randomdev3 wrote: post #13

It's just nonsensical to use a device that dictates what you can install on it. Well, Androids don't come with root permissions either ( you should be able to get it easily if you want imo ) but at least you can install any app, even just create your own.

No, getting root permissions should not be possible. Having a concept of a super user which can do whatever they want is bad for security and doesn't follow the principle of least privilege. There are better ways for an OS to offer functionality than requiring such a dangerous concept to exist.

The fact that desktop and server Linux distros still have a root account, have sudo, or said binaries is evidence of how far behind they are in terms of security.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by reddalo »

phartenfeller wrote: post #18

I think removing persistent storage and the ability to add websites to the home screen makes it obvious what their strategy is. The EU shows that they want interoperability for big players like they do with messenger interoperability in the DMA. The web is such a fundamental standard and its interoperability is so important I guess the EU will fine Apple for such behavior. The question is how soon this will happen.

I seriously hope the EU will intervene on this -- it's outrageous and malicious compliance.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by xorcist »

th4tg41 wrote: post #2

Off topic: This site is next to unreadable on my phone. Zigzagscrolling is an insult to the audience.

The line length is hilarious.

Press the little book icon (or F9 in Firefox desktop), it fixes this just as it fixes so many other unreadable web sites.

Luckily our clients aren't completely strangled yet so this still works. How meta considering the subject.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by beardyw »

aragilar wrote: post #24

Not an IPhone user: but honesty I'd rather have things open an actual browser tab, as then I can interact with it via all my standard extensions (e.g. adblockers), rather than be opened in a webview. Also, given how often you need to change phones (given build quality), if I have important data and you're a web app, I rather the server be the source of truth, and the phone a cache (so I don't loose data when the phon…

Web apps are mostly optional and otherwise work as a normal web site. Differences are that some functions are exclusive to web apps, so you wouldn't get them on a web site anyway. A feature I do find annoying is the ability to save a page onto my (Android) phone screen is taken away and replaced by "install app". I work around that by going into airplane mode, fetching the page unsuccessfully, and saving that!

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

pooper wrote: post #19
shrx wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that easy on Android either. Rooting usually requires a factory reset and several apps (e.g. banking) will not work if they detect the system is rooted. edit: Also, in some cases you lose warranty.

The fact that you can't install apps from your own xcode and run locally (used to be at all now I guess seven day limit) is silly. On Android, with Android 12, we can now have apps on neostore (fdroid frontend) auto update. There is no good reason to defend apple here. You as a user are always free to not install third party app stores.

The official F-Droid client has auto updates, too, for what it's worth.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by sspiff »

aragilar wrote: post #24

Not an IPhone user: but honesty I'd rather have things open an actual browser tab, as then I can interact with it via all my standard extensions (e.g. adblockers), rather than be opened in a webview. Also, given how often you need to change phones (given build quality), if I have important data and you're a web app, I rather the server be the source of truth, and the phone a cache (so I don't loose data when the phon…

This should be an option for the user then, like "Install" (as a PWA) or "Add bookmark to home screen" (as a browser tap).

There's reasons to want either, but as a heavy user of PWAs for a few online services / communities, I much prefer the former in most cases.

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