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Re: AI 'dream girls' are coming for porn stars' jobs

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Post by pdxandi »

jkic47 wrote: post #29
x86x87 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Porn has not distorted sexual behaviours. If anything it allowed people to experiment and not feel shame for wanting to experiment. Most sexual encounters out there are as vanilla as it gets. If you feel the need to compete with someone that has sex on screen for a living you are going to have a bad time.

"Allowed people to experiment..." So, they experimented by trying new things, correct? Which, by definition, is a change (i.e., a distortion) in their sexual behavior. If you try to read the "distortion" as being a non-judgmental "change", which was my intent, it may feel less triggering.

What did you mean when you later referred to it as damaging and addictive?

Re: AI 'dream girls' are coming for porn stars' jobs

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Post by ametrau »

x86x87 wrote: post #20
garciasn wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It most definitely has distorted sexual expectations from those who view it. This, in turn, MAY have distorted behavior.

Hard disagree. You probably start with the premise that there is a standard, normal behaviour and porn introduced deviations from it. It has not unless we are talking about really extrem, pathological cases.

You’re starting from the premise that if it’s possible, everyone does it. Obviously wrong. You can be influenced, and the influence of porn is extreme / deviant behaviour (to counteract the hedonic treadmill).

I’m exhausted writing something so obvious.

Re: AI 'dream girls' are coming for porn stars' jobs

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Post by disqard »

x86x87 wrote: post #13
toomuchtodo wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We let people buy cigarettes, alcohol, etc. Should we not let them buy this dopamine hit also? The reality of the situation is that the dating marketplace is wildly dysfunctional now [1] [2] [3], and with women empowered and educated, they don't date down like men do [4] (women want high status, high earning men, men want younger, attractive women who can provide kids, very broadly speaking; there are only so many hi…

Some may draw the conclusion that women have an easier time dating. They do not. They are competing for what they believe are "more desirable" men. Everyone loses. AI is dangerous here IMHO because it's going to disconnect people even more from the possibility of having a meaningful connection/relationship with another human. People no longer like any kind of friction when it comes to interacting with other people.

> People no longer like any kind of friction when it comes to interacting with other people.

This is the key. We're aiming to make our lives as convenient and frictionless as possible -- and this is monotonically increasing. Technology enables us to essentially be shut-ins, like the hikikomori.

This is a fragmentation/rending of the social fabric on a massive scale, and we're seeing it happen in real time.

Re: AI 'dream girls' are coming for porn stars' jobs

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

bko wrote: post #30

I think its not right to think of the OF type of person a traditional sex worker. Online sex work used to be the domain of women in failed states, who had no other options for work. But OF and the growing acceptance from the sex positivity crowd has attracted women that leave respectable corporate jobs or school to pursue this line of work. I listened to a lot of them on the Whatever podcast, and it strikes me if OF…

Well the problem there is that it's not just love but also office labor that AI threatens to raid for the benefit of the top 1%.

Re: AI 'dream girls' are coming for porn stars' jobs

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Post by nitwit005 »

The potential for enhancing photos and video is already proven. But the customer in that case is actually the women.

Similarly, there are services that chat with people who contact your OnlyFans. The customer is again the women.

I expect, at least initially, that same pattern will repeat.

Re: AI 'dream girls' are coming for porn stars' jobs

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Post by acdha »

x86x87 wrote: post #20
garciasn wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It most definitely has distorted sexual expectations from those who view it. This, in turn, MAY have distorted behavior.

Hard disagree. You probably start with the premise that there is a standard, normal behaviour and porn introduced deviations from it. It has not unless we are talking about really extrem, pathological cases.

An example which I’ve seen raised by researchers: 20 years ago, choking was considered an extreme, pathological case due to the risks. Now it’s very easy to find surveys where women report pressure or even attempts to do it without consent because a generation of men grew up with porn presenting that as standard. The same is true for things like anal sex, etc. which aren’t enjoyable and involve hassle/risk for the female partner but a lot of young men don’t realize that because they’re used to seeing porn actors imitating pleasure and often masking discomfort. I wouldn’t expect anyone to say that there were never extreme porn options on the market but it seems pretty broadly accepted that a lot of previously niche things have become mainstream as vendors are trying to stand out in a very competitive market.

Re: AI 'dream girls' are coming for porn stars' jobs

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Post by ethagknight »

x86x87 wrote: post #15
jkic47 wrote: post #5

The free availability of online pornography has distorted sexual behaviors, with some women feeling pressured to indulge in activities they see on screens to "compete". If AI porn can "learn" and create increasingly tailored experiences, it could be even more damaging / addictive, making it that much harder for men and women to relate. A brave new world indeed.

Porn has not distorted sexual behaviours. If anything it allowed people to experiment and not feel shame for wanting to experiment. Most sexual encounters out there are as vanilla as it gets. If you feel the need to compete with someone that has sex on screen for a living you are going to have a bad time.

If you want to argue that porn is not materially distorting sexual behavior, you would have far more credibility if you first acknowledge there’s a range of outcomes.

Pornography absolutely reframes expectations and impacts behaviors. To what extent, that is a fair debate.

Re: AI 'dream girls' are coming for porn stars' jobs

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Post by jkic47 »

ametrau wrote: post #32
x86x87 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard disagree. You probably start with the premise that there is a standard, normal behaviour and porn introduced deviations from it. It has not unless we are talking about really extrem, pathological cases.

You’re starting from the premise that if it’s possible, everyone does it. Obviously wrong. You can be influenced, and the influence of porn is extreme / deviant behaviour (to counteract the hedonic treadmill). I’m exhausted writing something so obvious.

There is no point arguing with people unwilling to engage because their minds are made up...

Re: AI 'dream girls' are coming for porn stars' jobs

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Post by jkic47 »

pdxandi wrote: post #31
jkic47 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Allowed people to experiment..." So, they experimented by trying new things, correct? Which, by definition, is a change (i.e., a distortion) in their sexual behavior. If you try to read the "distortion" as being a non-judgmental "change", which was my intent, it may feel less triggering.

What did you mean when you later referred to it as damaging and addictive?

Simple. While not all activities depicted in porn are damaging to all people, some activities can be damaging some people. Doesn't have to be black or white. Make sense?

Re: AI 'dream girls' are coming for porn stars' jobs

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Post by Voultapher »

everdrive wrote: post #8
questinthrow wrote: post #4

To be honest I've seen more than one man fall down the onlyfans rabbit hole. There's a lot of lonely men out there that are being taken advantage of and if AI can help them stop getting emotionally swindled then all the more power to AI. Of course, ideally, these men should improve themselves by making more money, growing taller at the gym and getting a new jawline but for some its not an option especially since dati…

It seems unlikely that AI will prevent lonely men from being swindled, and instead that it will simply be AI doing the swindling rather than real women.

It's already happening https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/article...
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