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The Xylophone Maze: Screen-free coding for children

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Re: The Xylophone Maze: Screen-free coding for children

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How is this programming rather than just learning how to recognize musical notes. Also, would this then start to associate these colors with these notes in any weird ways later in life? I'm not talking synesthesia or anything, but I can remember the music I was listening to at the time of reading a book or think of the book when I hear the music. Unless, that's the programming

Here are my two cents on why this is programming.

1 cent: Every hit is an atomic action that is causing the robot to take a certain action. Furthermore, all points in that maze has a decision (from at most 4 different choices) to make. So, hitting on a note (making a choice) is like writing an if statement. Furthermore, you can ask them to come up with the color combinations to hit before hand and try to run it all at once. If it fails, you do it again.

2 cents: Since this is designed for 2-3 year olds, if statements make a good basis for starting programming or logic in general. As they grow older, we can introduce loops and functions.

Moving on to the next question about starting to associate colors with notes although avoidable by randomly assigning colors to the notes (glue and paper), is possible like you said. However, I would like to claim that it will only stick (no pun intended) if the same colors play the same notes for years, if not months. Which given how two year olds are, is highly unlikely. They are done with a toy in about a week or two, max a month, give or take.

Re: The Xylophone Maze: Screen-free coding for children

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I played Robot Turtles [1] with my kids, a boardgame with a similar idea: The kid can lay out cards that define what the turtle should do, and the adult moves the turtle exactly as instructed. Slightly different because, like in the original Logo, you can say "turn left" or "turn right," and it can be hard for the kids to remember that left and right are from the perspective of the turtle, whichever way they are curr…

One silly, maybe extreme, direction to move to try to explore building functions together is Alligator Eggs: https://worrydream.com/AlligatorEggs/

Re: The Xylophone Maze: Screen-free coding for children

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See also Turing Tumble, a screenless, mechanical, gravity-powered computer for kids: https://upperstory.com/turingtumble/ My sons (7 and 9) love it, and both have some grasp of binary thanks to it.

Upper Story’s Turing Tumble and Spintronics are solid favourites in our house too. Weaving a graphic novel into the instruction / tutorial book is a brilliant tactic which really helped my eldest grasp the concepts covered.

Spintronics also helped give me a new perspective on electrical current, current division and capacitance. Seeing and feeling resistance in the chain, how little/no load results in high current (chain link throughput) was more valuable than the “water in a hosepipe” analogies I learnt in my University EE classes. Really looking forward to induction in the expansion set.

I was curious about the company, and discovered that the co-founders are a husband and wife couple who were in engineering and education respectively before starting the company. I’m glad to see they are able to operate profitably without listing on Amazon, and hope they continue to release more excellent educational engineering toys that I can explore with my kids.

Re: The Xylophone Maze: Screen-free coding for children

#34

How is this programming rather than just learning how to recognize musical notes. Also, would this then start to associate these colors with these notes in any weird ways later in life? I'm not talking synesthesia or anything, but I can remember the music I was listening to at the time of reading a book or think of the book when I hear the music. Unless, that's the programming

Here are my two cents on why this is programming. 1 cent: Every hit is an atomic action that is causing the robot to take a certain action. Furthermore, all points in that maze has a decision (from at most 4 different choices) to make. So, hitting on a note (making a choice) is like writing an if statement. Furthermore, you can ask them to come up with the color combinations to hit before hand and try to run it all a…

> if the same colors play the same notes for years, if not months.

I wouldn't be so sure. As I stated, I have an association between bookmusic which was made within the days it took to read said book

Re: The Xylophone Maze: Screen-free coding for children

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post #7

See also Turing Tumble, a screenless, mechanical, gravity-powered computer for kids: https://upperstory.com/turingtumble/ My sons (7 and 9) love it, and both have some grasp of binary thanks to it.

My kids also love Turing Tumble. (Me too!) Highly recommended.

Re: The Xylophone Maze: Screen-free coding for children

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It's an amazing idea! I'm always looking for screen-free activities related to problem solving with my daughter. By the way, if someone happens to have other examples, it would be great to share!

Well, for AI, the "Matchbox Computer"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matchbox_Educable_Noughts_an...

Re: The Xylophone Maze: Screen-free coding for children

#37
In my mind, all of programming can be reduced to the following 4 concepts.

- variables - conditions - loops - functions

If there was a way to teach those concepts screen-free, even to adults, I would really love to know it.

ThinkFun has a game CodeMaster that teaches loops and conditionals, but my kids found it way to tedious to play. It is better than nothing.

Maybe some HN'er has an idea how to create some game for all these concepts?

(And, if there is any other core concept I am missing, I would love to hear that too.)

Re: The Xylophone Maze: Screen-free coding for children

#38

This is an excellent activity in that it has multiple modalities for tacit learning. Keep in mind that when you are playing with young children, it is the time you are spending together that is most important, so if they want to not follow the rules, make up new games, or just bang away on that xylophone, let them, and enjoy the time you have.

To add: make sure you include unstructured play where the kid leads out without any structure from the parent (rules, etc). Instead, play with and have them lead you.

Re: The Xylophone Maze: Screen-free coding for children

#39

I love this idea! I can't wait to try it with my son when he gets a couple months older. By the way, what you have there is a glockenspiel. A xylophone is made with wooden bars, not metal as you have. It's a common mistake!

I'm aware of what the xylo- in xylophone means. But words mean what we use them to mean, not what pedants insist upon, and in vernacular, you're wrong, not him: the meaning of xylophone includes metallic instruments in the same style.

In musicology, sure, these distinctions are useful there. But what I want to stress is that you are wrong in this context. Not technically correct: wrong. The only mistake was you choosing to reply the way you did. It is, to be fair... a common mistake. Around here at least.

Re: The Xylophone Maze: Screen-free coding for children

#40

> The robot must not look at what color bar was hit but rather carefully listen to the sound only. Nice recipe for developing perfect pitch :-)

Hm, is perfect pitch stable across puberty?

One of my observations is that humming a note within my valid vocal range has "feeling" differences even within the hard cutoffs (usually about 2 octaves for most people). But those cutoffs (and presumably the feelings) move between childhood and adulthood.

(As an adult, my perfect pitch is not completely stable - if I don't use/tune it regularly, it can drift up to 2 semitones, but no further regardless of how long between tunings. Unfortunately I never did tests as a child.)

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