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Re: LilyPond: Music notation for everyone

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It's a pretty big leap to get from "notation isn't required for all forms of music" (what the person you're citing actually said) to "Lilypond is only for you if you're a classical musician". The music world isn't divided into a dichotomy of jazz players and classical players, and even many modern jazz players read and write musical notation.

Re: LilyPond: Music notation for everyone

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Related. Others? “Compiling” Music - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30625450 - March 2022 (44 comments) Lyp – The Lilypond Swiss Army Knife - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13259590 - Dec 2016 (7 comments) Obsessed with putting ink on paper or What's wrong with computer music notation? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1515262 - July 2010 (36 comments) Open source typesetter for sheet music - https:/…

looks like this task could somehow be automated ;)

I am very happy dang is intelligent

Re: LilyPond: Music notation for everyone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only use LilyPond for engraving, and MuseScore for input. They complement each other that way as a free software replacement for the usual commercial options.

The (former, IIRC) product manager for MuseScore (aka @tantacrul) has claimed that he thinks that MuseScore is now doing better engraving than LilyPond. He has a vested interest, obviously, but he's also a smart and conscientious human being.

I’ve tried MuseScore several times over the years and just this year realized that 4 is actually pretty dang good. I haven’t reached for anything in awhile.

Re: LilyPond: Music notation for everyone

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A while back I built a music publishing company (long defunct) and used LilyPond to engrave all of our scores. I received comments from quite a few established composers that the engraving was the best they'd seen from any publisher. I ended up with a collection of macros I used for common tasks. Probably the most-used was a macro that manually overrode the positioning of an element to be more visually pleasing or le…

I'd love to see your macros if you have them online somewhere. I've lately started spending lots of time notating music in LilyPond and am seeing the need to build tooling along the way.

I started a personal folk song collection using ABC notation. For simple tunes ABC is fantastic, but now that I'm doing more choral/four-part works, I'm reaching for the more powerful tool. Yet there seems to be a huge gap between ABC (simple things done simply and in one way) and LilyPond (do literally anything you want following any format you want, dropping into Scheme as necessary). Ease-of-use/quality-of-life tooling to fill that gap is appealing.

P.S. I'd also love to hear the story of your music publishing venture. It sounds intriguing!

Re: LilyPond: Music notation for everyone

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only use LilyPond for engraving, and MuseScore for input. They complement each other that way as a free software replacement for the usual commercial options.

The (former, IIRC) product manager for MuseScore (aka @tantacrul) has claimed that he thinks that MuseScore is now doing better engraving than LilyPond. He has a vested interest, obviously, but he's also a smart and conscientious human being.

It is vastly improved, yes. I’m not ready to say it’s better.

Re: LilyPond: Music notation for everyone

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LilyPond is surprisingly good at producing high quality scores. I was surprised to learn recently that many people export from other music editors (e.g., Musescore) to LilyPond to compile the final output.

Re: LilyPond: Music notation for everyone

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Interesting that Music notation even seems to be a “challenge” to do with a computer, speaking as a complete layman. It seems like there is only a few note symbols to draw, at fixed positions. Can someone explain what makes good engraving good?

The problem is closely related to computational typesetting, e.g. TeX, which is an extremely complicated piece of software. While it might be true that music notation is ultimately "simpler" than document typesetting, I wouldn't stake money on that claim.

A somewhat ignorant TL;DR:

- It's probably not too difficult to render simple music in a bland, ugly way, in the same way that it's not too difficult to render ASCII text documents with a monospace font.

- When notation gets complicated it is tedious but somewhat routine to render music in a way that looks like total garbage: things are awkwardly smooshed together or spaced way too far apart; some symbols look "too small" alongside others when using uniform scaling; long lines that have to travel over multiple notes end up clashing and making the score unreadable; etc etc etc.

- Actually getting things right in a general-purpose musical notation program is hard hard work. I don't have any direct experience here but I am sure it's a nightmare and takes constant testing to figure all this stuff out.

I play jazz and don't fully believe in Western music notation :) So I can't speak too directly here on the intricacy. But I would highly recommend reading Knuth's TeX Book (and skimming the WEB source of TeX itself) just to get a sense of how many different decisions a typesetting / music notation program has to make.

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