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How to keep engineers out of meeting hell

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Re: How to keep engineers out of meeting hell

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Every meeting should have: * an agenda, so people know what is going to be discussed and the right people can be in the meeting, and how long it might take * expected outcomes - e.g. Are we just discussing something, are we deciding something If those two things aren't done, it's likely not to be an effective meeting.

Let me add: A notetaker and published minutes, so everything discussed and decided can be referenced later.

Re: How to keep engineers out of meeting hell

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post #21

I'm curious about what everyone considers to be a high frequency of meetings. Two 1-hour team meetings per week, along with a daily 15-minute stand-up meeting. Do you think this frequency is high?

I don't think the frequency or duration of meetings is the (biggest) problem - it is the undefined scope, undefined outcome, unnecessary attendants and dragging along for much longer than needed that actually block some people achieving their goals and doing their work, which may or may not overlap with the organizer or other participants.

Re: How to keep engineers out of meeting hell

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Have weekdays where booked meetings are not allowed. This gives you a ground truth to compare meeting heavy days against.

We had "no meeting Fridays", which were always my most meeting-heavy days, because that's when everyone has a clear schedule!

If they were the most productive meetings of the week… sounds not bad at all ^_^

Re: How to keep engineers out of meeting hell

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I think meetings are almost always unnecessary. They are something that project managers and managers like to have because it gives them work to appear to be doing. They can say they have done meetings to justify themselves. There is another reason to have meetings which is basically to spy on employees. To me a stand up meeting feels more like management attempting to assess the workforce's compliance more so than trying to learn what is going on. A slack message could have done it all for less.

Re: How to keep engineers out of meeting hell

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There are some who believe that meetings are work. If those people are in charge of an organization, there will be tension with people who have real tasks and deliverables. My preferred approach is not to modify the meetings to make them more efficient, but to go on an extremist crusade against all meetings. Insist on asynchronous communication. Create dashboards with whatever metrics are discussed at status update m…

Leaders have a responsibility to ensure their teams deliver. When the teams agree to async communication --and the channels remain silent-- where is the accountability when there is no deliverable and no visibility into the scenario that led to no output? To be clear, this doesn't mean 100% sync. But a 10 minute daily sync can ensure the team is focused on producing something of business value. Maximal autonomy within some guardrails keeps the ICs and management at their best.

Re: How to keep engineers out of meeting hell

#36
post #11

As a lead I used to tick a few people off by occasionally declining meetings. The result is that I developed a mystique, and when I needed to get peoples' attention, I could get it. As an engineer it's important to feel comfortable occasionally declining BS meetings: it reflects more poorly on the person who can't get people to come to their meetings than on you. (Even though people might appear mad at you.) It's als…

In a previous role I was responsible for developing architecture that supported a bunch of different teams, so I started being pulled into a lot of meetings as the easy option for them was asking me. I ended up having 6-8 hours of meetings a day on top of my actual workload.

My solution was to not accept meetings and have a PM go grab me if they really needed me, that was enough friction to allow me time to get work done. As in your case, this created a bunch of mystique as I was now that guy that showed up in the middle of a meeting, said a bunch of smart things (hopefully!) and then left.

One of the difference about the new Zoom-centric world is that it's zero effort to add an somebody to a meeting "just in case". I push my leads to decline meetings where there is no clear agenda and/or clear idea of the value they can provide. It's ok that your default isn't to hit "accept", it's the meeting organizer's job to convince you that it's worth attending over other priorities.

Re: How to keep engineers out of meeting hell

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post #9

I actively fight against meeting hell. If I get a meeting request without a specific agenda (I don't split hairs with the definition of "agenda" or "outcome" like the article though), I ask for one and don't accept it otherwise. If the agenda makes it clear that this can be answered via email, I answer it and decline. If I'm in a meeting that seemed reasonable for me to attend, but I'm not adding/receiving value, or…

> If the agenda makes it clear that this can be answered via email, I answer it and decline.

You're one of the good ones.

The retort to "This meeting could have been an E-mail" is "But, do you respond to your E-mail?" Sometimes we really do need an answer/decision/action, and not everyone has good E-mail hygiene. I have worked with a non-trivial number of people who don't read their E-mail and/or don't respond to it. And when you don't respond, I have no idea whether you even read it, so I have to assume you didn't. When I need someone to do/say something, I will reach for E-mail as a first try, but if you don't respond, I have to put on my Disappointed Face and schedule a meeting :(

Re: How to keep engineers out of meeting hell

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post #21

I'm curious about what everyone considers to be a high frequency of meetings. Two 1-hour team meetings per week, along with a daily 15-minute stand-up meeting. Do you think this frequency is high?

It depends on the meeting, I had serious issues at a previous company where the non-engineers were “planning ahead” and wanting discussion, details and estimates for work we were not thinking of or looking at. I’m big on: when in doubt, prototype, investigate, etc. This was very disruptive to our current work trying to do this in parallel.

Re: How to keep engineers out of meeting hell

#39
post #21

I'm curious about what everyone considers to be a high frequency of meetings. Two 1-hour team meetings per week, along with a daily 15-minute stand-up meeting. Do you think this frequency is high?

I do. At a previous company, we had 1 meeting per week max. Your manager was a more senior engineer. There were no standups, no 1:1's or other extra bull. If you had a question or concern, you just walked into their office and discussed it like an adult. Most of my early career was like this actually. It wasn't until we hit 2010 or so that agile/scrum took over.
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