I wonder how fake "art" videos differ from fake news? Certainly, the "art" videos claiming that they are real is part of the cachet, but also the fake news would not be as impactful if it wasn't believable. Maybe it is just a part of life now? There is the solution to annotate fakes instead of removing them but it is not really usable right now, e.g. I can see no way to link this article from the youtube short.
The Netflix Logo with Yarn was a lie
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#32I don't feel deceived. The process is just different than I thought, but I also didn't even have a concrete idea of the process to start with. Good exercise in not blindly accepting things, which is arguably more valuable than a cute Netflix homage
that would have been the point .. If it was made in the video and not a blog post nobody sees years after the fact
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#33Flagging. No need to provide even more clicks.
HN rules say that you shouldn't comment that you have flagged a post, because it does not add to the discussion.
HN rules prohibit me from saying if I have flagged your comment or not.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
My gut tells me lying for clicks “isn’t cool” because I might feel bad if I was one of the clickers. But is it formally unethical? Lying for profit seems obviously unethical because there’s an exchange of currency for a service. So if I contracted you to make a stop motion thing and you faked it with animation I’d be rightfully pissed. But lying for entertainment? Haven’t we been doing that for millennia? Pro Wrestli…
I don't see the difference between you contracting the service, and you watching the video, in both cases the unconventional method was the point and anyways, now I have to be a little more sceptical watching fun handmade things online, which is a shame
For the purposes of discussion:
In my experience there’s a very real difference.
In the first case I’m not getting what I purchased.
In the 2nd case I was scrolling videos looking to be entertained. The video entertained me; therefore, I got what I came for.
I am no less disillusioned in either case when learning the truth. But in one case I was cheated out of something of value while in the other I was no less entertained in the moment (even if I paid for the entertainment, I got what I paid for). Maybe I don’t want to see your videos anymore because you made me feel bad later, but you still entertained me in the moment I was looking for it.
IDK now I’m honestly kinda curious. I read the apology piece thinking this guy is a dishonest jerk but now I’m really wondering if he needed to apologize at all. Though, I imagine this was eating at him and it is refreshing to clear his guilty conscience. So the advice to probably don’t do this likely holds for people with similar dispositions.
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#35One thing this blog post is missing is the words "I'm sorry" or "I feel bad about this." I suspect he doesn't feel bad about it at all and revealing the deception is now just for more clicks and attention.
Was anyone hurt? Does anyone care? The original post was fun, and this is even funnier.
We teach kids that lying is wrong.. not because it hurts people (it does) or that people care (although they do) but because it tells you something about the morals of a person. You don't have to prove the individual social damage of each lie. We've accepted that lying has bad enough consequences often enough that "lying is bad."
I get that we now live in an age of trolls, but this isn't a "whoo hoo, I trolled the world!" post. This post is using the language of morality that it's wrong to lie. The post itself is saying what he did was wrong. And yet, not apologizing for it. As you say, it's just another troll.
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#36I can't believe someone would just lie on the Internet
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#37Please don't tell me the handcrafted miniature city and practical effects used in the 1983 HBO intro was all a lie too... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agS6ZXBrcng
oh my gosh, I can remember watching this making-of special back in the day and thinking how cool and high-tech it was..
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see the difference between you contracting the service, and you watching the video, in both cases the unconventional method was the point and anyways, now I have to be a little more sceptical watching fun handmade things online, which is a shame
For the purposes of discussion: In my experience there’s a very real difference. In the first case I’m not getting what I purchased. In the 2nd case I was scrolling videos looking to be entertained. The video entertained me; therefore, I got what I came for. I am no less disillusioned in either case when learning the truth. But in one case I was cheated out of something of value while in the other I was no less enter…
OK, I see where you're coming from, you didn't personally lose money. I'll even concede that the first one is worse.
I still think both are wrong - the second one steals from the public's ability to trust things, and is unfair to creators who don't lie. Same with how cheating on school assignments is wrong, even if you can't point very directly at who was hurt. Its bad for society and almost all codes of ethics agree
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#39i don't understand why he didn't add one more part to the rig so that he could move all yarns at once instead of one at a time. or move the camera.
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#40End result looked good, but lying for clickbait isn't cool even if you admit it in a blog post way after the fact.
My gut tells me lying for clicks “isn’t cool” because I might feel bad if I was one of the clickers. But is it formally unethical? Lying for profit seems obviously unethical because there’s an exchange of currency for a service. So if I contracted you to make a stop motion thing and you faked it with animation I’d be rightfully pissed. But lying for entertainment? Haven’t we been doing that for millennia? Pro Wrestli…
IMO if the lie is “inside the work”, then it’s fair.
Another example in the comment thread is Fargo. The lie about the true story happens inside of the film itself.
But if you lie in the meta data, then it’s unethical. In this case if Fargo was categorized as Documentary or non fiction.
This was a big deal when the book A Million Little Pieces has to be recategorized as fiction and a lot of ppl were deceived.
Another thing you really shouldn’t do is say “I don’t use steroids or makeup or surgery - I achieved this body through hard work alone” which makes ppl have unrealistic expectations. Super unethical