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Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

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Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

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Have you considered collecting everyone's phone when they arrive only giving them back when they leave?

Honestly, I wish that could become a cultural norm. As things are now it would be a kind of awkward request, but I bet it would really help if it were acceptable.

Make it understood that it's a theme party. As long as it's not a surprise on arrival. Promote it on the socials when you do the invite. It's not like you invite people individually anymore either. Its the 2020s, gamify that shit!

Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

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As far as I am concerned, I have not observed this. I see plenty of people hanging out at restaurants and elsewhere. Many places are packed. It seems like there has been this trend of journalists writing these finger in the wind op-eds opining about a society that never existed or about something which is not a problem for most people but is turned into 'a thing' for the sake of pageviews and virality.

The article presents actual data which you rebut with...your feelings? "From 2003 to 2022, American men reduced their average hours of face-to-face socializing by about 30 percent. For unmarried Americans, the decline was even bigger—more than 35 percent. For teenagers, it was more than 45 percent. Boys and girls ages 15 to 19 reduced their weekly social hangouts by more than three hours a week. In short, there is no…

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Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

#33

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It’s possible that these journalists are in their own bubble or echo chamber. The journalists who write this stuff have become isolated and spend excessive amounts of time doomscrolling or arguing about random crap on Twitter. So they assume that’s what everyone is doing. Meanwhile lots of people are just out here living life. Plenty of places where I live are filled with people hanging out. Hardly anybody glued to t…

The article has data, would you care to comment on that or just speak in platitudes?

The Atlantic and good data aren't always friends since that wmd thing

Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article presents actual data which you rebut with...your feelings? "From 2003 to 2022, American men reduced their average hours of face-to-face socializing by about 30 percent. For unmarried Americans, the decline was even bigger—more than 35 percent. For teenagers, it was more than 45 percent. Boys and girls ages 15 to 19 reduced their weekly social hangouts by more than three hours a week. In short, there is no…

There’s a difference between people “spending more time alone” and the articles claim that people have “stopped hanging out.” If one actually goes outside it’s trivial to see people hanging out. Also maybe ironic that I say this here on hacker news on Valentine’s Day but it’s true. Restaurants, bars and even the local mall were packed today.

I think it’s clear that the article’s author does not mean it literally that everyone stopped hanging out. It’s hyperbole.

Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered collecting everyone's phone when they arrive only giving them back when they leave?

Honestly, I wish that could become a cultural norm. As things are now it would be a kind of awkward request, but I bet it would really help if it were acceptable.

It seems like it's punishing to people who are responsible with it. If you have issues with people showing up and not being away from their phone, then either talk to them or don't invite them. It's not your job to "fix" them from their habits. If you like them enough to be friends with them in spite of that, then why are you excluding them because of it?

Don't be passive-aggressive about it.

Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

#36
The article cites data using 2022 as the endpoint, and it's worth noting that 2022 still had some pandemic effects. Both directly in that some people were still limiting or avoiding meetups particularly earlier in the year, and indirectly in that teenagers in particular would have less of a social group when they were forbidden to see people during their peak friendship forming years. We'll never have a non-pandemic counterfactual to compare against, but there will still be at least some post-pandemic rebound beyond 2022.

Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

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post #29

As far as I am concerned, I have not observed this. I see plenty of people hanging out at restaurants and elsewhere. Many places are packed. It seems like there has been this trend of journalists writing these finger in the wind op-eds opining about a society that never existed or about something which is not a problem for most people but is turned into 'a thing' for the sake of pageviews and virality.

"Journalists" aren't journaling what is going on anymore, instead writing opinion hit pieces masquerading as journals to drive forth narratives and agendas. I despise "journalism" now, a cancer to society. Imagine if NTFS or ext4 made "journals" because it thought these bits were uglier than those other bits. Also, before someone quips "But mah statisticz!" : The interesting thing about statistics is you can twist th…

26 minutes a day is not by any means a rounding error.

Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s possible that these journalists are in their own bubble or echo chamber. The journalists who write this stuff have become isolated and spend excessive amounts of time doomscrolling or arguing about random crap on Twitter. So they assume that’s what everyone is doing. Meanwhile lots of people are just out here living life. Plenty of places where I live are filled with people hanging out. Hardly anybody glued to t…

The article has data, would you care to comment on that or just speak in platitudes?

The article is paywalled, so it’s difficult to check the sources. Are there any links provided or surveys cited? The article matches my guy feeling, but I am curious about geographic and socio-economic variance. It wouldn't surprise me if higher cost of living areas have suffered the most.

Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

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As far as I am concerned, I have not observed this. I see plenty of people hanging out at restaurants and elsewhere. Many places are packed. It seems like there has been this trend of journalists writing these finger in the wind op-eds opining about a society that never existed or about something which is not a problem for most people but is turned into 'a thing' for the sake of pageviews and virality.

The article presents actual data which you rebut with...your feelings? "From 2003 to 2022, American men reduced their average hours of face-to-face socializing by about 30 percent. For unmarried Americans, the decline was even bigger—more than 35 percent. For teenagers, it was more than 45 percent. Boys and girls ages 15 to 19 reduced their weekly social hangouts by more than three hours a week. In short, there is no…

You raise an interesting point. I used to be convinced by purely data-based and "science"-based points, but due to overly-confident sounding statistics over the past 5 years, I've stopped paying attention to it - particularly with regards to social sciences.

Unless we have cameras monitoring American men at all times, we do not know that they have reduced face-to-face socializing by 30%. What we do have is very intelligent people who are incentivized to produce research that makes waves; some of them are honest, others are not, and I don't really have the wherewithal to determine what the case is here. The reproduction crisis is real and simply accepting conclusions seems naive.

If a study doesn't pass the smell test, is not easily reproducible, and I have no personally trusted people who can vouch for the findings, then - yes - my feelings matter more.

So yes - it is legit for the op's feelings to be more important for op. We should applaud people for not simply accepting conclusions.

(In this case, my personal feelings, for what little they are worth,is that there are a lot of people who socialize less, and I assume it is because there are more people in cities and in circumstances where hanging out is harder.)

Re: Why Americans Suddenly Stopped Hanging Out

#40

Hanging out with people glued to phones is boring

You nailed it. I've kind of stopped having get-togethers at my house (either for friends or family) because people show up, do a brief normal-human greeting interaction, and inevitably eventually sit down and just kind of zombie out scrolling their phones. Despite efforts to strike up conversation, play a board game or whatever, people just can't put the fucking things down for even 5 minutes, let alone enough time t…

You should try the Jackbox party games. They require a certain level of engagement and are quite fun.
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