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The likelihood of unilateral solar geoengineering

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Re: The likelihood of unilateral solar geoengineering

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"If your solution closely follows the story line of the Simpsons, perhaps reconsider" – The Simpson Solution Axiom

I was reminded of Futurama actually :)

"Thus solving the problem once and for all." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW66EX75jIY

Re: The likelihood of unilateral solar geoengineering

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Dimming the sun is like the alcoholic proudly proclaiming they'll be eating salads for lunch. It ain't solving the actual problem.

Even disregarding climate change, we are way past the point where 8 billion people can survive without modern industry. The same will be true for geoengineering in the long term. Remember, we are still in an ice age.

Re: The likelihood of unilateral solar geoengineering

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I'm continually surprised that this idea gets so much traction. While possible to build, it's also strictly Temporary and just leaves us with a worse problem later on. We'll just need a bigger one, 20 years down the line, when CO2 levels keep going up! At some point, it's pretty obviously a non-solution. Let's put this energy into Nuclear Power and CO2 recapture; and actually fix things.

The growth of renewables, particularly solar, is on pace to replace a pretty large proportion of fossil fuels "for free" by being more economically viable. Transitioning most people and industry from ICE to electric and things like heating to more electric is going to happen naturally, but it'll take a few decades. Likewise it's reasonable to believe the biosphere is going to ramp up carbon sinking as time goes by. A stopgap of dimming the sun with sulfur for... eh... 20 years might just be the ticket.

Re: The likelihood of unilateral solar geoengineering

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Are there ways this could be done with rapidly biodegradable materials, such that e.g. it would need to be continually done year after year or else the sky would return to the exact same state it was in before? Also, living in Arizona with 120F/49C summers, I sure wish someone could come up with some geography-wide sunshade! I guess that will need to be after they stop growing the city forever, and stop paving the ea…

This is covered in the article, and comes with its own trade-offs:

> Sulfur disappears from the atmosphere quickly - it rains out after about a year. This means that once we’ve started SRM, it’s dangerous to suddenly stop. We need to keep spraying particles, all the time. If we suddenly stopped, the warming would spring back rapidly, causing a bad temperature shock. The correct way to stop is a gradual phase out.

Re: The likelihood of unilateral solar geoengineering

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It's amazing that this solution has not been considered more openly and widely until now. It's cheaper, more effective, and doesn't require draconian regulations or near-impossible expectations on human behavior. It's also something that could be tested for a year. It's not irreversible. It would allow the undeveloped world a chance to achieve a piece of the global wealth pie. Why are so many people (especially envir…

The sky belongs to everyone. Hard to get sign off from everyone on making a change to it.

You’re right.. and yet I don’t believe everyone got to vote on whether we should burn all those fossil fuels in the first place.

Re: The likelihood of unilateral solar geoengineering

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I'm continually surprised that this idea gets so much traction. While possible to build, it's also strictly Temporary and just leaves us with a worse problem later on. We'll just need a bigger one, 20 years down the line, when CO2 levels keep going up! At some point, it's pretty obviously a non-solution. Let's put this energy into Nuclear Power and CO2 recapture; and actually fix things.

> Spraying a form of sulfur from a plane is incredibly cheap. A full programme would cost less than $20b per year. That’s much cheaper than carbon removal ($600b per year, to remove just 10% of annual emissions @ $100 / tCO2).

It is 30x higher both in time and cost to capture carbon. At $20B/yr geoengineering the atmosphere can be done for 50+ yrs. In 50yrs, carbon capture would need $30T vs only $1T for spraying sulfur. Carbon capture as a long-term solution doesn't make sense. Also, how much carbon you can capture in 50yrs? At 10% of annual emissions, you can probably reach 30% by the end of 50yrs. Carbon capture is still leaving 70% carbon in the environment. It's a make believe solution build to give us false sense of action for saving climate.

Re: The likelihood of unilateral solar geoengineering

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"We don't know who struck first, us or them. But we know that it was us that scorched the sky. At the time, they were dependent on solar power and it was believed that they would be unable to survive without an energy source as abundant as the sun." - Morpheus, The Matrix

But what we know for certain is that at some point in the early 21st century all of mankind was united in celebration. We marveled at our own magnificence as we gave birth to AI.

Re: The likelihood of unilateral solar geoengineering

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It's amazing that this solution has not been considered more openly and widely until now. It's cheaper, more effective, and doesn't require draconian regulations or near-impossible expectations on human behavior. It's also something that could be tested for a year. It's not irreversible. It would allow the undeveloped world a chance to achieve a piece of the global wealth pie. Why are so many people (especially envir…

> Why are so many people (especially environmentalists and climate scientists) so opposed to this solution? Because it's just kicking the can down the road. This will cost Trillions which you might as well invest in a transition to clean energy now because you have to do it eventually anyway. If the impact of climate chains looks like it's posing a risk to us as a species then perhaps blocking the sun temporarily is…

where are you getting trillions from? this paper estimates it at 10b.
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