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The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]

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Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]

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Wow. So, "stringing people along = murderable offense". Got it.

You don't see some justice in a serial con man being stabbed by someone he conned? I guess we have different morals with respect to the acceptability of lying.

We constantly tell children Santa is real. I fear for your parents.

Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]

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Wow. So, "stringing people along = murderable offense". Got it.

You don't see some justice in a serial con man being stabbed by someone he conned? I guess we have different morals with respect to the acceptability of lying.

Hey, he was a fantrepreneur disrupting the gray spaces around film fandom at the time. A saint in HN terms, really.

Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]

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You don't see some justice in a serial con man being stabbed by someone he conned? I guess we have different morals with respect to the acceptability of lying.

We constantly tell children Santa is real. I fear for your parents.

Distinction: lying in order to give someone gifts vs lying to take their money.

Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]

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What was the relationship then? In a New Hope, it’s known that Anakin was Vader, right? And they knew Luke was Anakin’s his son. Obi wan mentions Anakin being corrupted by Vader. And the fight at the end, Vader now the master, etc. Was it really still a question of Vader and Anakin were different people until the second movie came out?

This script is good evidence they made up the connection part way through Empire. Also, if Lucas already had it in mind for Star Wars, I doubt he'd have Obiwan straight up lie about it.

I don't even consider it a straight up lie. I know we have decades of this built into our culture, and its been basically ret-conned, but...

"A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father"

I could still see Ben making this metaphor for the internal struggle Anakin dealt with, not wanting to reveal the truth in that setting.

Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]

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Wow. So, "stringing people along = murderable offense". Got it.

You don't see some justice in a serial con man being stabbed by someone he conned? I guess we have different morals with respect to the acceptability of lying.

Well there's assault and then there's murder...

Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]

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Wow. So, "stringing people along = murderable offense". Got it.

You don't see some justice in a serial con man being stabbed by someone he conned? I guess we have different morals with respect to the acceptability of lying.

> I guess we have different morals with respect to the acceptability of lying.

I don't think that's the only thing we disgree morally with.

You are stating murder is an acceptable response to someone lying to you.

Scary.

Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]

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Wow. So, "stringing people along = murderable offense". Got it.

Keep in mind that not everyone shares the same morals, even in the same localized society.

There are, unfortunately, people who think that killing someone who disagrees with or even lies to you is perfectly acceptable.

The question is... what does society do with such people?

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We constantly tell children Santa is real. I fear for your parents.

Distinction: lying in order to give someone gifts vs lying to take their money.

That doesn't mean you kill them!

Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]

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Wow. So, "stringing people along = murderable offense". Got it.

You don't see some justice in a serial con man being stabbed by someone he conned? I guess we have different morals with respect to the acceptability of lying.

It seems like you have managed to find at least one villain in the story.

(But keep looking, there may be another).

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