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Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
To a specific audience that they have cultivated, though. And almost universally with a highly specific framing. What they are doing is finding posts from queer children, teachers, or parents, adding a line that frames it as inherently pedophilic or something, and then posting it to their extremely large follower base of explicitly bigoted people that would not probably have been aware of the post otherwise . Those p…
This is increasingly the far-right playbook. Get a big audience all worked up about something via a steady stream of lies and outrage, and then pretend like you had nothing to do with it when one of your followers does something illegal. We have such groups around me which have resulted in vandalism of businesses and multiple bomb threats sent to multiple libraries. These assholes for a while were monopolizing the ci…
"monopolizing the citizen comments section of city council meetings"
That is democracy, giving feedback to elected officials, even if you don't like it.
Vandalism, is hardly exclusive to "the far-right". There are plenty of self described "anti-fascists" publicly smashing things they don't like.
Call out violence when it happens no matter who is doing it.
Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed
#33see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio#Subsequent...
She has 2.8 million followers. There were 2.4 million Nazi volunteers. The scale of what is possible has changed. It's not an inn with 28 farmers. It's not a statehouse with 280 citizens. It's not a gathering around a microphone of 2800 people. It's not a stadium of 28,000. It's not a gigantic congregation of 280,000. It's 2.8 million that listen to her every time she posts. Night or day. Around the clock. She's Alwa…
What kind of censorship do you propose?
Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is increasingly the far-right playbook. Get a big audience all worked up about something via a steady stream of lies and outrage, and then pretend like you had nothing to do with it when one of your followers does something illegal. We have such groups around me which have resulted in vandalism of businesses and multiple bomb threats sent to multiple libraries. These assholes for a while were monopolizing the ci…
"monopolizing the citizen comments section of city council meetings" That is democracy, giving feedback to elected officials, even if you don't like it. Vandalism, is hardly exclusive to "the far-right". There are plenty of self described "anti-fascists" publicly smashing things they don't like. Call out violence when it happens no matter who is doing it.
It's democracy, but also they are acting like assholes.
> Vandalism, is hardly exclusive to "the far-right".
Getting your followers to call in bomb threats over trans-friendly content and events, however, is exclusive to the far right. Which is what this article is about.
> There are plenty of self described "anti-fascists" publicly smashing things they don't like.
This is what-aboutism and threadjacking.
Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
She has 2.8 million followers. There were 2.4 million Nazi volunteers. The scale of what is possible has changed. It's not an inn with 28 farmers. It's not a statehouse with 280 citizens. It's not a gathering around a microphone of 2800 people. It's not a stadium of 28,000. It's not a gigantic congregation of 280,000. It's 2.8 million that listen to her every time she posts. Night or day. Around the clock. She's Alwa…
What kind of censorship do you propose?
There are already laws against defamation, incitement to violence, and hate speech.
What is being proposed in the article is that Libs of tiktok is inciting terrorism (or terroristic threats). This isn't a new type of censorship.
So the question isn't "what type of new censorship do you propose?" but "does this behavior meet the threshold to be considered behavior we've already collectively deemed illegal?".
Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be more pointed than logicprog, Raichik just lies a lot. Example from the article: Libs of TikTok’s post said it happened “in front of children.” Anthony said no children were present.
It should be noted that this refers to a mayor being spanked by a drag queen at a public event. To many, myself included, the absence of children does not erase the absurdity and degeneracy of this stunt. It's still unacceptable. If children were present, it ought to have been criminal.
So who do you vote for?
Hasn't pretty much every republican been caught doing drag in high school?
Edit: it’s always either school spirit week or Halloween
Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a lot of words. They repost without editing material submitted to the most popular social media sites in the world. The original posters are literally getting wider exposure: exactly what they wanted.
I'm sorry you struggle to read more than a few sentences of words, but I'm trying to be very clear and precise in my explanations in order to help the people playing dumb in this comments section. The clips she shares are very often not edited by her, but out of context clips edited by someone else to serve a narrative. Even when they aren't, how you frame a clip when you present it to someone and the prior expectati…
Don’t post things you don’t want other people to see.
Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
What kind of censorship do you propose?
There are already laws against defamation, incitement to violence, and hate speech. What is being proposed in the article is that Libs of tiktok is inciting terrorism (or terroristic threats). This isn't a new type of censorship. So the question isn't "what type of new censorship do you propose?" but "does this behavior meet the threshold to be considered behavior we've already collectively deemed illegal?".
"There are already laws against...hate speech."
As this is a US context, I am curious what specific laws against "hate speech" you think are in existence?
Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed
#39Not surprised this was flagged despite a civil discussion and how relevant it is to this late stage limbo social networks currently occupy. To be frank, it runs counter to the narrative that the dedicated cohort of "free speech" absolutists here whom don't want an example of why there absolutely need to be limits to what can be posted and disseminated.
Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed
#40Don’t they just repost what other people are already posting publicly?
Yes, they repost the content from others. That's it.