Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

github.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–40 of 67 posts

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

#31

Post by jwells89 »

kelnos wrote: post #28
kristopolous wrote: post #22

Help me on this. Do people really like say, macOS but not Apple hardware? Is this to lower cost? Just a hobby project? All the above? Forgive me. I've been on Linux since the 90s and don't really engage much with the Apple ecosystem. I don't mean this as a dig. I'm really ignorant on this stuff.

I never really understood it either. And I'm someone who (only moderately successfully) used to run Linux on various Mac laptops. I had the opposite problem: I really really really liked Mac hardware, but was kinda meh on the OS. I think in the mid-00s I could understand Hackintosh users to some extent. Mac hardware was (and still is) expensive, and OS X was a really nice, developer-friendly OS. But macOS has gotten…

I could easily see someone preferring macOS to Windows, with how ad-ridden and pushy 10 and 11 have become. To me it would’ve been more understandable if someone preferred Windows back in the days of 7, which I liked even as someone who’s long been disinclined from Windows.

For macOS vs. Linux it’s more fuzzy, but there are still some ways the macOS experience is a bit smoother once everything is up and running, like dodging the tinkeriness of X11 and awkwardness of the transition from X11 to Wayland… for example, you’ll never see blurry XWayland windows because someone forgot to update Electron.

That said I haven’t hackintoshed in several years. It stopped feeling as necessary after M1 came out, with my reasons for doing so being lack of power and bad cooling endemic to late 2020s Intel Macs. These days I use real Macs alongside a custom built gaming tower running Windows and ThinkPad X1 Nano running Fedora.

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

#32

Post by mdaniel »

RecycledEle wrote: post #4

I wish Apple would apin off their x86 OSX as a separate company. I would love to see it compete with Microsoft Windows.

Every Christmas break I always hope I'll have the emotional energy to dig back into https://github.com/PureDarwin/PureDarwin#readme and see if I can get it to boot, even on VirtualBox, let alone some hackintosh friendly hardware like OP did

I am super, super cognizant that the devil's in the proverbial details, but they sure do seem to publish a lot of macOS into the open https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/distribution-macO...> so my interest is to map out the parts that are missing

I'm also aware that Darling exists (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38423469 ) but if it's anything like Wine -- no, thank you. The only reason Wine (and their CrossOver friends) are required to exist is because there's no suitable open source release of Windows, so emulating the bugs is glucose cheaper. I had high hopes for ReactOS when I was in college, but I think they're just pushing that rock uphill (although I am super glad the project exists)

Having said all of that, don't overlook that even if I snapped my fingers and had a PureDarwin built 14.3 .iso this very second, the supply chain for x86_64 applications for any such OS is likely going the way of the dodo, since it won't be in a vendor's best interest to dedicate resources to building releases for what they assume is a dead platform

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

#33

Post by CharlesW »

OnlyMortal wrote: post #5
RecycledEle wrote: post #4

I wish Apple would apin off their x86 OSX as a separate company. I would love to see it compete with Microsoft Windows.

They’re really a hardware company that builds appliances. Microsoft is a software company that builds some hardware. They’re coming from opposite directions.

> They’re really a hardware company…

Nah, they're a software company that builds physical runtimes.

"People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware." — Alan Kay

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

#34

Post by moondev »

nickpsecurity wrote: post #30
moondev wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hackintoshes also support a killer feature that new Mac computers do not - nested virtualization

Can you describe how you use that with what software packages?

A few examples: using vmware fusion provides an option to enable nested virtualization

1) running a windows vm from macos, and inside that windows vm you enable and use WSL2 or docker desktop. Both of those windows tools require nested virtualization

2) run a hypervisor such as esxi or proxmox as the vm OS, which in turn launches vms. Handy for simulating infra.

3) run a macos vm and inside that vm, install docker desktop for mac

4) experiment with any qemu/kvm tooling inside a linux vm, such as multipass or kubevirt

Everything above is not possible on modern mac hardware but is on hackintosh

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

#35

Post by refurb »

kristopolous wrote: post #22

Help me on this. Do people really like say, macOS but not Apple hardware? Is this to lower cost? Just a hobby project? All the above? Forgive me. I've been on Linux since the 90s and don't really engage much with the Apple ecosystem. I don't mean this as a dig. I'm really ignorant on this stuff.

I found it odd as well. macOS on non-Apple machines is clunky. I could see it as a hobby, but for the average user? It's likely trying to run Linux.

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

#36

Post by exe34 »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #23
kristopolous wrote: post #22

Help me on this. Do people really like say, macOS but not Apple hardware? Is this to lower cost? Just a hobby project? All the above? Forgive me. I've been on Linux since the 90s and don't really engage much with the Apple ecosystem. I don't mean this as a dig. I'm really ignorant on this stuff.

Apple hardware sucks for the following reasons: - it's expensive, especially if you want to load up on memory or disk space - there is limited choice - it's relatively unreliable - it's difficult to fix, you have to send it to Apple under warranty, third party repairs are difficult or impossible, self fix is impractical for most people With Hackintoshes you can have a solid desktop machine starting from $150 (motherb…

I'm very lucky apparently, my mid-2012 Macbook air is still my daily driver outside work. At the time, it was the longest battery life, reasonable CPU, ram and SSD, in the thinnest but robust and lightest laptop I could find at 13in.

I replaced the SSD a few years ago, and I don't think the battery would last very long nowadays, but I don't want a laptop on holidays anymore anyway.

I got fed up with osX though, just run Linux nowadays.

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

#37

Post by BuffaloBagel »

kristopolous wrote: post #29
kelnos wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never really understood it either. And I'm someone who (only moderately successfully) used to run Linux on various Mac laptops. I had the opposite problem: I really really really liked Mac hardware, but was kinda meh on the OS. I think in the mid-00s I could understand Hackintosh users to some extent. Mac hardware was (and still is) expensive, and OS X was a really nice, developer-friendly OS. But macOS has gotten…

Maybe I'm just too rich to appreciate it these days but a, say, 1-year old used mac mini m2 looks like it can be snatched for around $499 on ebay. The PC equivalent, probably a 2023 Dell Optiplex 7010, for instance, looks to be just about the same amount ($449). Compare https://www.ebay.com/itm/364218215167 with https://www.ebay.com/itm/276266965157 I think we've hit the commodity price point market with used Apple h…

Now try upgrading that Mac mini's SSD and memory.

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

#38

Post by Lazonedo »

kristopolous wrote: post #29
kelnos wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never really understood it either. And I'm someone who (only moderately successfully) used to run Linux on various Mac laptops. I had the opposite problem: I really really really liked Mac hardware, but was kinda meh on the OS. I think in the mid-00s I could understand Hackintosh users to some extent. Mac hardware was (and still is) expensive, and OS X was a really nice, developer-friendly OS. But macOS has gotten…

Maybe I'm just too rich to appreciate it these days but a, say, 1-year old used mac mini m2 looks like it can be snatched for around $499 on ebay. The PC equivalent, probably a 2023 Dell Optiplex 7010, for instance, looks to be just about the same amount ($449). Compare https://www.ebay.com/itm/364218215167 with https://www.ebay.com/itm/276266965157 I think we've hit the commodity price point market with used Apple h…

>Again, maybe I'm just too rich to care about the $50 here but I thought the Apple premium has shaken itself off at least the used market.

On the base configurations /only/.

If you need a lot of ram and storage (neither of which are upgradable on modern macs, and in my experience storage being the most common component failure the idea of throwing away a computer because its SSD failed really grinds my gears) Apple is overpriced to an obscene point. Maybe less so in the used market, but high specced devices that aren't very old are less likely to be found there, someone who bought a 24GB mac mini with 2TB of storage isn't selling a year old model on the market unless they're doing something like switching to PCs and regretting their decision to buy a mac.

In fact it's highly likely that those only-a-year-old mac mini you can find on the market exist because someone thought they could make do with the base configuration and realized 8gb of ram is total garbage but using an Apple computer they're left with no choice but to buy a wholly new computer just to fix that mistake.

The base mini, brand new, is 699, which is a price I actually find reasonable for a computer with that level of performance and the nice form factor. But it only comes with 8gb of ram, which is abysmally unusable for anything other than "I browse facebook in one tab" kind of computer usage, and at the same time the rest of the computer is so good it makes no sense to sell this much hardware just to open facebook on a browser. So, you configure it for at least 16gb and now it's 929 euros. If you want 24gb of ram, it's now 1159 euros. Ouch. Stings. It's +460 euros just for an additional 16 gigs of ram, ridiculous, ram has never been cheaper than in the past few years, the same goes for SSDs, yet Apple prices their SSD like this :

512gb +230 euros

1TB +460 euros

2TB +920 euros

Wat? You can get a Samsung 990 pro PCI-E 4 with 4 TB of storage for 300 euros.

This is called a total ripoff.

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

#39

Post by cHaOs667 »

RecycledEle wrote: post #4

I wish Apple would apin off their x86 OSX as a separate company. I would love to see it compete with Microsoft Windows.

As someone who uses macOS for 11 years as the daily driver for his work, I can just say that it would be a bloodbath.

Not only is the driver support abysmal, kext are gone, and the actual quality of macOS has declined significantly over the years.

10 years ago, there was the rule of thumb to wait one update before you do the “big” OS upgrade, now it's better to wait for 3–4 updates as Sanoma crashes on our working machines (1500 people company) frequently.

Speaking of crashes, my m1 MacBook Pro 13, still running Ventura, has crashed more than ANY OTHER mac before. And I'm talking about crashes like, you close the lid, drive to the airport, take a seat, open the lid and just see that macOS starts completely fresh and presents you with a system crash message.

And this is the first Mac where I don't use any kext, strange tools, and completely abandoned software development…

The only thing that let me keep the m1 is the battery life...

Re: Hackintosh: OpenCore EFI for HP Pavilion Aero 13 Laptop

#40

Post by diffeomorphism »

kristopolous wrote: post #29
kelnos wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never really understood it either. And I'm someone who (only moderately successfully) used to run Linux on various Mac laptops. I had the opposite problem: I really really really liked Mac hardware, but was kinda meh on the OS. I think in the mid-00s I could understand Hackintosh users to some extent. Mac hardware was (and still is) expensive, and OS X was a really nice, developer-friendly OS. But macOS has gotten…

Maybe I'm just too rich to appreciate it these days but a, say, 1-year old used mac mini m2 looks like it can be snatched for around $499 on ebay. The PC equivalent, probably a 2023 Dell Optiplex 7010, for instance, looks to be just about the same amount ($449). Compare https://www.ebay.com/itm/364218215167 with https://www.ebay.com/itm/276266965157 I think we've hit the commodity price point market with used Apple h…

> Maybe I'm just too rich to appreciate it these days but a, say, 1-year old used mac mini m2 looks like it can be snatched for around $499 on ebay.

Unfortunately, no. The dell has ram slots and two ssd slots. So a config with 16 or even 32 GB of ram and 2TB of storage is about $600. A mac mini has exactly none of these and costs $1600 with these specs.

And Apple knows this. They charge $200 for the ram upgrade precisely because they know the "base" config is so limited and just for marketing. The actual base config is $1000 with okay ram and non-crippled ssd.

Post reply on HN