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Re: VueJS turns 10 years old

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Post by tylerchurch »

aniforprez wrote: post #11
cjblomqvist wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a 100kloc codebase and migrated 2->3 + replaced our whole build stack (webpack -> vite) with a few dev days of effort (mostly on SSR stuff). It hasn't (at least not negatively) our general velocity at all. A totally different thing than moving from Angular 1 -> 2 for example.

Was an Angular 1 -> 2 even possible? If I remember correctly, they were one of the first big open source projects to go all in on Typescript and even the fundamental way that the rerender and state changes were tracked were completely different. I worked on an app on AngularJS and when asked for an assessment on a migration, it felt clear to me that it would require a complete rewrite. Even the tooling was totally di…

It was a complete rewrite. Angular 1 vs. 2 share nothing besides name and some basic concepts. The actual code and tooling was completely separate.

Re: VueJS turns 10 years old

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Post by synergy20 »

This is an amazing project, it tells yet another story how one guy can start a project ended up challenging big companies like Google(Angular) and Meta(React).

While React is adding all those complexity by SSR and server component etc these days, Vuejs separates them wisely, if you need just the original SPA, use vuejs as-is, if you want SSR, add Nuxt.

I am moving back from React to Vuejs after realizing how heavily React is nowadays affected by VC company Vercel, which has its own agenda of SSR-first(Next.js) and make React even further complicated, Vercel hijacked React in my opinion and made it no longer a "neutral" OSS project, so long, thanks for all the fish.

On the same note, Vercel also bought up Svelte and made it SSR first.

If you just need SPA and has no need for SSR, which made frontend even more complex, go with Vuejs.

Re: VueJS turns 10 years old

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Post by ipaddr »

aniforprez wrote: post #11
cjblomqvist wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a 100kloc codebase and migrated 2->3 + replaced our whole build stack (webpack -> vite) with a few dev days of effort (mostly on SSR stuff). It hasn't (at least not negatively) our general velocity at all. A totally different thing than moving from Angular 1 -> 2 for example.

Was an Angular 1 -> 2 even possible? If I remember correctly, they were one of the first big open source projects to go all in on Typescript and even the fundamental way that the rerender and state changes were tracked were completely different. I worked on an app on AngularJS and when asked for an assessment on a migration, it felt clear to me that it would require a complete rewrite. Even the tooling was totally di…

That opening is what react used to become what it is today. With the 1 -> 2 no upgrade path it forced a rewrite and many left to react and never came back.

Re: VueJS turns 10 years old

#36

Post by ipaddr »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #8
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #5

I started using VueJS when I got thrown off the deprecation treadmill by Angular. Regardless of whether something is a hobby project that you want to only touch a couple times a year or a big project with dozens of developers, having your platform deprecated under your feet and being forced to do migration work sucks. Vue is now on version 3 within 10 years. That means anyone who relied on v1 has had their work churn…

I was around for the first Angular deprecation treadmill, and it was jarring. I was thinking about doing some stuff for a hobby project recently and as a mostly back-end engineer, I am very out of date for most front-end code. I did a scout around, and didn't feel too impressed. Finally last week I was thinking "I wonder what happened to jQuery", and there it was. Just as it ever was. Updated, freshened up, but compl…

jQuery still works great

Re: VueJS turns 10 years old

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Post by todd3834 »

synergy20 wrote: post #33

This is an amazing project, it tells yet another story how one guy can start a project ended up challenging big companies like Google(Angular) and Meta(React). While React is adding all those complexity by SSR and server component etc these days, Vuejs separates them wisely, if you need just the original SPA, use vuejs as-is, if you want SSR, add Nuxt. I am moving back from React to Vuejs after realizing how heavily…

I build React apps without SSR all the time. What has changed in React besides optional support for it?

Re: VueJS turns 10 years old

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Post by ipaddr »

Hasu wrote: post #23
PaulRobinson wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was around for the first Angular deprecation treadmill, and it was jarring. I was thinking about doing some stuff for a hobby project recently and as a mostly back-end engineer, I am very out of date for most front-end code. I did a scout around, and didn't feel too impressed. Finally last week I was thinking "I wonder what happened to jQuery", and there it was. Just as it ever was. Updated, freshened up, but compl…

I'm genuinely curious - what features does jQuery have that make it better than modern vanilla JS? Back in the day the vanilla DOM APIs were bad, so jQuery was great, but I haven't felt the need to reach for it in ages.

Better and shorter syntax, plugins, ecosystem.

Hide Show

```

$(".box").hide();

$(".box").show();

vs

document.querySelector(".box").style.display = "none";

document.querySelector(".box").style.display = "block";

``` Both work. The first is more clear

Re: VueJS turns 10 years old

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Post by nlh »

monero-xmr wrote: post #7

I dislike react and liked vue. However I’m on the svelte bandwagon now, which is similar to vue but improved. Basically sveltekit makes a lot of opinionated decisions for you but those are all good places to have opinions.

+1 to Svelte. I used to work in Vue a lot but something about Svelte clicked so much better for me. It's so good that when new fancy reactive frameworks come around I don't even bother to get distracted - not even for a week (LOL) ;)

I'm curious to see how Svelte v5 takes hold. I get the motivation behind why it's been created, but it does dramatically change the syntax to make things feel less "Svelty".

It's an interesting side-effect of a maturing project. A lot of the things that make Svelte <=4 enjoyable is how approachable and logical it is. I understand how more complex projects need more ability to split up large components, etc., so Svelte 5 logically makes sense, but it loses some of the charm and simplicity of the original.

Re: VueJS turns 10 years old

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Post by impulser_ »

synergy20 wrote: post #33

This is an amazing project, it tells yet another story how one guy can start a project ended up challenging big companies like Google(Angular) and Meta(React). While React is adding all those complexity by SSR and server component etc these days, Vuejs separates them wisely, if you need just the original SPA, use vuejs as-is, if you want SSR, add Nuxt. I am moving back from React to Vuejs after realizing how heavily…

Svelte is not SSR first. Svelte has nothing to do with the server. There is no server related code in Svelte. Svelte is a UI library/framework/language w.e you want to call it.

SvelteKit can be bundled with server code, but it's just as easy to bundle it without any server code. SvelteKit is essentially just a Vite plugin.

You can add adapter-static and have to bundled as an SPA and not change anything with you code as long as your not using .server.js files which are files meant to protect server code from not being bundled with the client.

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