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'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by fallingknife »

_chu1 wrote: post #18
toomuchtodo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legislators cannot fix parenting, but they can enforce controls and governance on social media platforms to govern to the mean. Duct tape fixes work when more aspirational fixes are unattainable. To the dismay of many, duct tape holds the world together. It can be true that politicians are out of touch and all we're left with are suboptimal solutions to complex problems at scale. > For additional context, I'm 15 near…

I came to the conclusion the world is held together with painters tape when I learned there are companies hiring people to mantain OS/2 Warp systems today.

Laughs in COBOL

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #29
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #22

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> Duct tape fixes work when more aspirational fixes are unattainable. Duct tape fixes convince people to get back into the car even though it's still unsafe and then the duct tape gives way at 70 MPH and you crash into a tree. Duct tape is for ducts. Sometimes it's also useful for patching leaky hoses. It's not for attaching the steering to the wheels. If you're going to propose an institutional solution by legislati…

Lets go with speed tape then. > Speed tape is an aluminium pressure-sensitive tape used to perform minor repairs on aircraft and racing cars. It is used as a temporary repair material until a more permanent repair can be carried out. It has an appearance similar to duct tape, for which it is sometimes mistaken, but its adhesive is capable of sticking on an airplane fuselage or wing at high speeds, hence the name. htt…

> Use of speed tape should be authorized by engineering teams and comply with certain requirements. Fines can be levied against airlines that use it to make improper repairs.

Legislation is the polar opposite of a one-off repair that has to happen in the field under strict time and resource constraints. It generally applies to everyone, permanently, and inaction is equivalent to delegation to decentralized decisionmakers so you can take as long as you want to be deliberate and correct.

When the farmer fixes the tractor with baling wire and chewing gum, you give them credit for making do. When the tractor maker systematically does the same thing in the factory, it's time to get your tractors from someone else.

> This is not the world we operate in unfortunately.

The is/ought dichotomy is no excuse when you're the one deciding what to do or who to support, because it's you choosing what is with the opportunity to do as you ought.

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by 303uru »

>compares guns to social media, forces a public apology

I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE for the GOP to force a gun manufacturer to turn around and apologize, it will never happen. Ever.

The "evidence" that social media is killing kids is far from causual. I feel confident there's a link, but that's feelings. I also can't help but feel there's a lot of scapegoating social media for the struggles of a generation that's facing a lot of headwinds. Educational infrastructure is crumbling, the generational wealth gap is growing, if you talk to kids you hear very real concerns about climate change, etc... Pinning all of this on social media is like saying sour patch kids is the root cause of diabetes.

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by bryanlarsen »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #25
bryanlarsen wrote: post #23

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> do it right or don't do it at all. IOW, don't try to fix anything, since doing it perfectly is usually impossible.

There is a difference between imperfection and incompetence. In one case you do things having thoroughly considered them and refrain from issuing mandates when their net benefit isn't large and unambiguous. A government that acts cautiously and deliberately and refrains from acting when that isn't possible is not one that never takes any action at all. You can be careful without being infallible. In the other case yo…

The only way anything like that could get through Congress is if one party had a filibuster proof majority in both houses. As I said, never.

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Post by notfed »

For those out of the loop like I was: some senators want to repeal Section 230 (which gives immunity to online platforms from being held liable for content posted by users) and, as seen here, have been trying out the "unhinged 'think of the children' emotional appeal using social media CEOs as strawmen" approach.

A fine approach.

What's missing though, is their motive. Why do they want to repeal Section 230?

[1] https://www.eff.org/issues/cda230

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by _nalply »

fallingknife wrote: post #30
out-of-ideas wrote: post #21

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#5 here for sure before Google gave results relative to the region you were in, google search results were amazing. you could search generically and get loads of websites with lots of rich content; it was not always about getting the exact 1 "absolute" answer - it was about finding MORE websites with lots of content... it's evolved though, several times over, for their profit...

Journalism and SEO really ruined it. Search for any sort of newsworthy info like a video or statistics, and you used to get the raw video or report. Now you have to wade through clips of said video with some news person talking over it, or articles about the actual data instead of the data itself. Adding "raw video" or "raw data" to the search has minimal effect. Search for anything with commercial relevance and it's…

I found out with some iterations you get raw videos.

First check if negative filtering works. If not, give up straight away or use a different search engine.

Then add the term `-news`. This filters out a lot of these videos, but not all.

Look at the video headings. Most of them contain the name of the company. Add about three to five of them. Like this for example: `-NBC -"Fox Weather" -Guardian -CBC -CNN`.

Then just scroll about three pages till you find a raw video, or add more negative terms and repeat. Be careful not to accidentally exclude raw videos, for example if there is something about people guarding something, don't use `-Guardian` but perhaps `-"Guardian News"`.

Or just give up and don't watch Internet videos.

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by _chu1 »

zip1234 wrote: post #12

Political grandstanding--Graham compares guns to social media, except somehow skips over the idea that guns are actually designed to kill. How many people are killed from social media use?

Guns are what made this country and I personally take pride in them. They are tools and aren't just made "to kill".

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by krapp »

_chu1 wrote: post #38
zip1234 wrote: post #12

Political grandstanding--Graham compares guns to social media, except somehow skips over the idea that guns are actually designed to kill. How many people are killed from social media use?

Guns are what made this country and I personally take pride in them. They are tools and aren't just made "to kill".

In what capacity did guns "make this country" other than their capacity for violence? If guns weren't designed with that intent in mind, why does an entire Constitutional Amendment exist to preserve them? Why guns, since guns are merely a tool, and no other tool?

Also, if guns are simply tools, why do you personally take pride in them? Do you also personally take pride in hammers, or can openers?

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #35
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a difference between imperfection and incompetence. In one case you do things having thoroughly considered them and refrain from issuing mandates when their net benefit isn't large and unambiguous. A government that acts cautiously and deliberately and refrains from acting when that isn't possible is not one that never takes any action at all. You can be careful without being infallible. In the other case yo…

The only way anything like that could get through Congress is if one party had a filibuster proof majority in both houses. As I said, never.

Every year some bills pass with wide bipartisan support. That isn't any guarantee that the bill is any good -- the Patriot Act passed with entirely too many votes in favor -- but in most cases they're simply bills with low opposition. Provide counseling for veterans or something.

Which is exactly what you get when you find the right solution and nobody has any reason to object to it. But if you haven't found the right solution, go back and try harder instead of passing something wrong.

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