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Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Re: Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Post by riku_iki »

Amorymeltzer wrote: post #16

I really suggest looking at the reply: https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2401.3/04254.html > I know nothing about what they're talking, but the response appears reasonable and mature, seems to engage in the substantive issues without responding to the anger/flaming, and looks like it intends to de-escalate and move forward. Torvalds' reply to that is more measured https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2…

> but the response appears reasonable and mature

I wouldn't say saying "If I knew ... was going to piss you off so much, I wouldn't have done that." is very mature.

Re: Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Post by Boatfaceing »

thrillgore wrote: post #9

This is very uncharacteristic of the direction Linus was heading. Damn, Steven must have seriously fucked up. >You copied that function without understanding why it does what it does, and as a result your code IS GARBAGE. AGAIN. I generally believe in positivity but if I saw this as his direct report I'd move him to another project ASAP to get scrutiny on his code quality.

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Re: Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Post by somerandomqaguy »

technofiend wrote: post #19
thrillgore wrote: post #9

This is very uncharacteristic of the direction Linus was heading. Damn, Steven must have seriously fucked up. >You copied that function without understanding why it does what it does, and as a result your code IS GARBAGE. AGAIN. I generally believe in positivity but if I saw this as his direct report I'd move him to another project ASAP to get scrutiny on his code quality.

>I generally believe in positivity but if I saw this as his direct report I'd move him to another project ASAP to get scrutiny on his code quality. I'm not sure I'd start there, but I'd definitely want to understand what problem the person was trying so solve. Might be legit, might be OKR-driven development.

The discussion seems to calm down a little afterwards if you follow the thread. Linus is actually making suggestions for Steven to try in his test setup:

https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2401.3/04995.html

Re: Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Post by darth_avocado »

hasty_pudding wrote: post #22
AndrewDucker wrote: post #13

There is value in demonstrating anger. It makes it clear that the person has crossed a line beyond "Made an understandable mistake." and entered the "Doing things which are beyond what is tolerated in this space." And in this case, where the person has deliberately, repeatedly, tried to use code they don't understand, it makes it clear that they need to either learn enough to be sensible on the topic, or go away and…

I wish there was more of this in society instead of immense passive aggression we see now days. It's very efficient and to the point.

To have more of that, you need personal connection. Flaming over a random teenager working at McDonalds for not getting your order right is not needed in the society. This sort of response is totally acceptable in say a setting like a team sport or the military.

Re: Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Post by thdespou »

youngtaff wrote: post #17

Why f#ck would anyone ever want to contribute to the Linux kernel when you’re in danger of being on the receiving end of a rant like that…

Because the stakes are high. Nevertheless you shouldn’t take this personally.

Re: Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Post by stairlane »

tekla wrote: post #24
youngtaff wrote: post #17

Why f#ck would anyone ever want to contribute to the Linux kernel when you’re in danger of being on the receiving end of a rant like that…

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Someone could use a chill pill.

But in all seriousness, this point does stand valid in my opinion.

Various facets of society react and communicate differently. For example, death threats are just a part of the job for game developers (insane, yes - but a regular thing). If you can’t stomach it, then get out for your own sake. No need to burden yourself with someone else’s inability to process their own emotional response in a mature way.

Linus is notorious for his responses in the past being on par with the death threats video gamers throw at their game devs.

Personally life is too short to burden yourself with someone like that.

Re: Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Post by __turbobrew__ »

I take it as a badge of honour for being flamed by Theo de Raadt. If you are being flamed it means that you are doing something worth engaging with. Take it with a grain of salt and cut through the negativity to find valid criticisms which help you grow.

Re: Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Post by coolThingsFirst »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #28
_xerces_ wrote: post #7

I would take it as a point of pride to be on the receiving end of one of Linus' rants. If I have his attention and he is even looking at something I wrote, it lets me know I made it :)

I feel the same way, I have immense respect for Linus and can appreciate that he may flame me today and congratulate me tomorrow. It's not personal, it's about the work.

What if replied with a diss track named “Well, f u too”?
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