> Anyway, I think this is so cool because everything else on the solar system map is so regular and orderly, but not quasi-moons! Nothing in the solar system is regular and orderly. It's chaotic because 3-body problems are almost always chaotic, and >3-body problems are always chaotic. Our solar system is a hundred-body problem (or more depending how small a "body" you want to include). So why then does our solar sys…
Similar to Hurricanes but were we can't tell where they will be next week.
Something peculiar in my 2yo's bedroom led me to a revelation about our universe
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Re: Something peculiar in my 2yo's bedroom led me to a revelation about our universe
#32> Zoozve orbits one thing: the sun. It spends all day every day doing that. BUT Venus also has a teeny gravitational toehold on it such that it ALSO ORBITS VENUS AT THE SAME TIME.
> It’s a whole new category of thing. Something that orbits a star and a planet at once. Something that is not a moon, but also not not a moon.
> They call it … a quasi-moon.
> Astronomers had been speculating that such an object could exist for 100+ years, but this was the first time anyone saw one … not only in our solar system but in the entire universe!!
He then goes one to describe how weird the paths of quasi-moons can be.
Where I think he's off is that it was not that Zoozve was orbiting both the Sun and Venus that was new. Astronomers have for hundreds of years known of a case of something orbiting both the Sun and a planet (see below).
What was new was the weirdness of the orbit.
The long known example of something orbiting both the Sun and a planet is the Moon. The Wikipedia article on the orbit of the moon [1] has a plot showing a section of the Earth's and Moon's trajectories around the Sun and you can see from it that they both trace a convex shape. That's because the Sun's pull on the Moon is about twice as strong as the Earth's.
From the Sun's point of view both Earth and Moon are in separate orbits that have been distorted so that they are rounded dodecahedrons. They are like two cyclists racing on a circular track, taking turns passing each other on the inside but at all times both are turning left.
Compare to other (non-quasi) moons. Most (all?) of them are more attracted gravitationally to their planet than to the Sun. The plots would not be convex. From the Sun's point of view plots of their paths would look like something from a spirograph.
If alien astronomers knew of the Earth and Moon but did not know their sizes, so all they had was their masses and orbits, they would probably actually classify them as a double planet rather than a planet and a moon.
What disqualifies the Moon from being a planet under the current Earth astronomy definition is that the center of mass of the Earth/Moon system is below the surface of the Earth.
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#37It's a thread, and mere mortals without accounts see only the OP (OT?) I'm starting to get the hang of nitter.net and here's the thread. https://nitter.lanterne-rouge.info/latifnasser/status/175095... Other nitter instances were rate-limited or down. This one worked for me. It's actually interesting.
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#38> Anyway, I think this is so cool because everything else on the solar system map is so regular and orderly, but not quasi-moons! Nothing in the solar system is regular and orderly. It's chaotic because 3-body problems are almost always chaotic, and >3-body problems are always chaotic. Our solar system is a hundred-body problem (or more depending how small a "body" you want to include). So why then does our solar sys…
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#39The thread is about an object in our solar system, called 2002 VE. Its motion under the influence of gravity isn't clearly "an orbit", but (for now) it sort of follows closed loops when viewed from the moving frame of Venus, so people call it a quasi-moon of Venus. Figure 4 in this paper shows the object's trajectory in the frame of Venus: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1208.4444.pdf
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_designation_in_a...
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#40Non-x link?
It’s an X post, so what would a non-X link be?