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Re: Understanding the world science fiction convention

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I am precisely none of those things, but if I were, you would be doing a far better job of arguing the case against yourself than I ever could.

Then what's your excuse for whining about how boycotting Uganda for executing homosexuals and Texas and Florida for banning books is too woke for your tastes? Or do you have other justifications for killing gays and banning books and asshole signaling like a Musk stan?

Re: Understanding the world science fiction convention

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Historically being an antipope didn't mean that you were anti Catholic, it meant you believed yourself to be the true Pope in opposition to the Pope in Rome. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope My fun fact: Some antipopes resided in Avignon France, and a (delicious) wine from that region (allegedly, I'm not a wine guy) is called Châteauneuf-du-Pape (House of the New Pope) for this reason.

> Châteauneuf-du-Pape That reads more like "[The] Pope's New Castle" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teauneuf-du-Pape_AOC In fact, Avignon was the site of the Apostolic See and indeed, seven canonically-accepted Popes resided there, plus two antipopes. https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/avignon This period also featured Italian antipopes! It was dramatic! https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/western-schism

It's actually a great example of how we just associate French names with 'fancy'. If you saw a bottle of an alcoholic drink for sale under the name "Pope's Newcastle" you'd be forgiven for assuming it was a down-to-earth real ale.

Newcastle United's goalkeeper is called Nick Pope. Perhaps he should go by the name Pape-du-Châteauneuf.

Re: Understanding the world science fiction convention

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The world of book writing is an iceberg, and with thousands of works being released a year that not just go unreviewed but unread there is little chance the awards are inclusive of the genre.

We are literally only a GPT generation away from the book writing machines of 1984 and as a new author myself this makes me so sad.

Re: Understanding the world science fiction convention

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I think HN may be interested in another recent instance of the Hugo awards running into difficulties because of its rules: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies TL;DR: A conservative block of voters swept the nominations for certain categories. At final voting, members voted to not give awards at all in those categories.

The only fun thing that came out of that mess was that Chuck Tingle was nominated for a Hugo Award.

Re: Understanding the world science fiction convention

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I think HN may be interested in another recent instance of the Hugo awards running into difficulties because of its rules: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies TL;DR: A conservative block of voters swept the nominations for certain categories. At final voting, members voted to not give awards at all in those categories.

The only fun thing that came out of that mess was that Chuck Tingle was nominated for a Hugo Award.

The nomination of Space Raptor Butt Invasion in 2016 was a Sad Puppy footgun.

He disavowed their coordinated campaign and then engaged further:

Satirical erotica author Chuck Tingle's massive troll of conservative sci-fi fans, explained

    Right-wing sci-fi writers tried to delegitimize the Hugo Awards by nominating a writer no one took seriously. Here's how he took them all by surprise.
https://www.vox.com/2016/5/26/11759842/chuck-tingle-hugo-awa...

Re: Understanding the world science fiction convention

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post #6

I think HN may be interested in another recent instance of the Hugo awards running into difficulties because of its rules: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies TL;DR: A conservative block of voters swept the nominations for certain categories. At final voting, members voted to not give awards at all in those categories.

I would agree that a group swept the nominations. (and I don't agree with them)

Having attended a couple conventions, including a worldcon just before this happened, I would say that the same low voter turnout that made sad puppies possible was being abused to prop up obscure books based on the identity of the author rather the quality of the story.

The sad puppies effort was more mutually assured destruction than really trying to win. They know their books are pulp. But they also believed that nobody actually read those other books.

I've been to conventions biased one way or the other and they have one thing in common: nobody seems concerned with whether a story is good or not. This is probably why we keep getting superhero movies.

Re: Understanding the world science fiction convention

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This reads like an extremely one sided take with a myopic US west coast moralising slant. The author seems oblivious to the irony of calling something worldcon, then throwing a tantrum if the world does dare not to prostrate to their idiological microbubble.

Re: Understanding the world science fiction convention

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This reads like an extremely one sided take with a myopic US west coast moralising slant. The author seems oblivious to the irony of calling something world con, then throwing a tantrum if the world does dare not to prostrate to their idiological microbubble.

You can say a lot of negative things about it, but it's most definitely not a "micro" bubble. The ideological influence of the US West Coast on the world at large during the past century has been de-facto defining much of the global culture, even if you limit it to just Hollywood and the Silicon Valley.

A world that were to shrug off this influence would be, for better or worse, fundamentally different.

Re: Understanding the world science fiction convention

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This reads like an extremely one sided take with a myopic US west coast moralising slant. The author seems oblivious to the irony of calling something world con, then throwing a tantrum if the world does dare not to prostrate to their idiological microbubble.

What an odd take. I don't see the moralising or the tantrum, just a take on events that happened and the likely consequences. I don't think you're getting a myopic US west coast viewpoint from a British author.
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