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HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Does it make sense to get a vaccine for older ppl, like 30y, does this still apply for men?

Talk to your doctor, be honest about your sexual history and current situation. It made sense for me to get the vaccine, but may not make sense for all, or at least not make sense enough to be approved by your insurance.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

#32

It seems a little strange to me that the people interviewed in this article find this is so remarkable. Only 40,000 people belonged to the group that got the vaccine before 14. If the incidence rate were the same as for the unvaccinated (8.4 per 100k) you would have expected roughly 4 in the group to have gotten cancer. If the incidence rate were the same as for those vaccinated after 14 (3.2 per 100k), you would hav…

> Maybe I'm missing something here?

Statistical literacy is difficult to develop, statistical intuition even moreso, even among well-intentioned and very intelligent people.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CDC doesn't recommend it. By that age, you've probably been exposed already. https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/parents/vaccine-for-hpv.html > HPV vaccination is not recommended for everyone older than age 26 years. Some adults ages 27 through 45 years who were not already vaccinated might choose to get HPV vaccine after speaking with their doctor about their risk for new HPV infections and possible benefits of vaccination…

> The CDC recommends against it. The CDC does not recommend against getting vaccinated for people in their 30s. They don't issue a general recommendation for vaccinating people in their 30s. That's an extremely important distinction.

I'll update that to "The CDC doesn't recommend it", in that case.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

#34

It seems a little strange to me that the people interviewed in this article find this is so remarkable. Only 40,000 people belonged to the group that got the vaccine before 14. If the incidence rate were the same as for the unvaccinated (8.4 per 100k) you would have expected roughly 4 in the group to have gotten cancer. If the incidence rate were the same as for those vaccinated after 14 (3.2 per 100k), you would hav…

The article says that all participants were eligible for screening, but it doesn't say how many were screened or tested.

Also, this cohort would be age 28-36 years currently. The lowest median age for HPV cancer diagnosis is 50. https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/age.htm

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Why did she believe that? I like to believe are politicians aren’t completely insane so what pseudo/bad whatever studies led her to believe vaccines cause mental retardation?

> Why did she believe that? I like to believe are politicians aren’t completely insane

I'd hope that any appreciable amount of time spent looking into Michele Bachmann would disabuse you entirely of the notion that the presumption of good faith is appropriate for all politicians.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As Winston said, "If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say.": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFX4fmldZFs

Who makes money off people not getting vaccinated?

Mortuaries?

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As Winston said, "If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say.": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFX4fmldZFs

Who makes money off people not getting vaccinated?

Plenty of people. In this case, it's pandering for votes/donations, but it's frequently to sell some alternative miracle cure or supplement.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/05/12/9936151...

> That selling can be big business. One of the leading anti-vaccine advocates, Joseph Mercola, is believed to bring in millions each year through his companies, which sell an array of branded natural supplements, beauty products and even pet supplies.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did she believe that? I like to believe are politicians aren’t completely insane so what pseudo/bad whatever studies led her to believe vaccines cause mental retardation?

It's incredibly charitable of you to assume this was based on some sort of good-faith investigation of reputable medical research on her part.

Well there is research around it, it isn’t robust enough to make stupid claims like that, but you could make a decent case that older vaccines contained things (Thimerosal) which could be causing problems. Maybe she doesn’t understand most new ones don’t?

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

#39

Does it make sense to get a vaccine for older ppl, like 30y, does this still apply for men?

The CDC doesn't recommend it. By that age, you've probably been exposed already. https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/parents/vaccine-for-hpv.html > HPV vaccination is not recommended for everyone older than age 26 years. Some adults ages 27 through 45 years who were not already vaccinated might choose to get HPV vaccine after speaking with their doctor about their risk for new HPV infections and possible benefits of vaccination…

I don't understand why they recommend against it. I guess the monetary costs don't outweigh the benefits, but that's only if you care more about saving money than potentially preventing cancer. It's not like the vaccine going to hurt you. But the HPV vaccine is not particularly cheap, so it sounds like the insurance companies have lobbied against it or something. In my opinion men should also be vaccinated for it since they are often carriers and can be affected too.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

#40

Does it make sense to get a vaccine for older ppl, like 30y, does this still apply for men?

Yes: https://cbuck.substack.com/p/the-freedom-to-choose-medicine-...

Also, HPV causes head and neck cancers in men and women. These are very unpleasant and not recommended: https://jakeseliger.com/2023/09/09/life-swallowing-tasting-a...

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