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Patreon: Blocking platforms from sharing user video data is unconstitutional

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Re: Patreon: Blocking platforms from sharing user video data is unconstitutional

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A recent Australian Prime Minister did claim legislative power to alter mathematics. Poor quality sound, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VB3uQHa14g

Not sure why you're trying to push that. :( It was a smart arse response to a smart arse question.

> It was a smart arse response to a smart arse question.

Haven't come across that justification before.

If it was a smart arse question, I'd be guessing it was justified in the face of attempts at the Australian government at the time attempting to further their already advanced designs toward creating a surveillance state.

For the sake of clarification, I'm pointing it out as an example of denial-based justification of a virtually untenable position, in two contexts:

One: If the leader of a country would say something like that in public then, hey, make the request to repeal a privacy law, who knows, there may be enough greased palms for this to slide through. Not that I want to give them any ideas.

Two: the person to whom I was replying mentioned engineering challenges of bridge building and rocket science which could be made easier with some legislation that reduces the complexity of maths and physics (if Malcolm is to be believed) - for the sake of humour.

Re: Patreon: Blocking platforms from sharing user video data is unconstitutional

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> The Video Privacy Protection Act (VPPA) blocks businesses from sharing data with third parties on customers' video purchases and rentals. At a minimum, the VPPA requires written consent each time a business wants to share this sensitive video data—including the title, description, and, in most cases, the subject matter. This might be a bit off-topic, but does this mean also that what Plex did when it started sendin…

Plex isn't for purchases or rentals, it's for streaming users' privately owned content, so seems like it wouldn't come under this.

Re: Patreon: Blocking platforms from sharing user video data is unconstitutional

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Not sure why you're trying to push that. :( It was a smart arse response to a smart arse question.

> It was a smart arse response to a smart arse question. Haven't come across that justification before. If it was a smart arse question, I'd be guessing it was justified in the face of attempts at the Australian government at the time attempting to further their already advanced designs toward creating a surveillance state. For the sake of clarification, I'm pointing it out as an example of denial-based justification…

Like Indiana's legislation regarding the value of pi?

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_pi_bill]

Re: Patreon: Blocking platforms from sharing user video data is unconstitutional

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It's job security for him. Keeping bridges safe and flying rockets also requires substantial engineering work. I fail to see why the fact that work would need to be done should affect the outcome in any way. Zero reason to make their life convenient in any way.

A recent Australian Prime Minister did claim legislative power to alter mathematics. Poor quality sound, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VB3uQHa14g

He doesn't say that.

He chooses to relate to Australian law, not maths. It's his job to do that. He is not a mathematician.

It is frustrating watching Muricans balk at a change of topic, by saying that he claims something he didn't.

Anglo culture and American culture really are two different beasts.

Re: Patreon: Blocking platforms from sharing user video data is unconstitutional

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A recent Australian Prime Minister did claim legislative power to alter mathematics. Poor quality sound, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VB3uQHa14g

He doesn't say that. He chooses to relate to Australian law, not maths. It's his job to do that. He is not a mathematician. It is frustrating watching Muricans balk at a change of topic, by saying that he claims something he didn't. Anglo culture and American culture really are two different beasts.

Not quite seeing the distinction you're trying to make:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-laws-of-australia-will-tru...

https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/turnbull-war-on-maths

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2140747-laws-of-mathema...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/malcolm-turnbull-prime-mi...

https://gizmodo.com.au/2017/07/prime-minister-says-the-laws-...

https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/government-tech-poli...

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/07/australian-pm-calls-en...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/07/14/malcolm-tu...

Good enough for Diffie, good enough for me.

Re: Patreon: Blocking platforms from sharing user video data is unconstitutional

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Crypto was meant to make it possible to bypass banks, not get rid of middlemen like Patreon.

Whateher it was meant for it or otherwise, it is most definitely able to bypass middle-men via direct payments to a wallet address.

I come across various sites and services that have bitcoin addresses for donations or payments.

Re: Patreon: Blocking platforms from sharing user video data is unconstitutional

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> But Patreon engineer Jason Byttow has said that complying with the VPPA's consent requirement imposes "unnecessary burdens" on Patreon by requiring "substantial engineering work" to build a new consent regime that would ultimately "degrade the user experience." Our privacy is inconvenient for them.

It’s funny how nobody there complained about all the engineering work required in order to track and share their users’ data.

Re: Patreon: Blocking platforms from sharing user video data is unconstitutional

#39

CALL TO ACTION Go to your Patreon account, for any active memberships click 'Send Message'. Send something along these lines: Hello, apologies for the disruption but I'm wondering if you would consider reaching out to your Patreon representative and voicing your feelings on their recent corporate behaviour, which I'm sure you'll find disagreeable https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/01/patreon-attacks-... If it's…

Respectfully I don’t think that is very productive. I’m not a fan of this lawsuit or patreon’s behavior either, but I think Patreon has to fight this in some way or risk going bankrupt.

If this really is an existential threat to the company they aren’t going to listen no matter how many creators talk to them about it. I think what patreon needs is some solution where they admit using the tracking pixel on those pages was bad (and stop) without giving bankrupt.

Re: Patreon: Blocking platforms from sharing user video data is unconstitutional

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CALL TO ACTION Go to your Patreon account, for any active memberships click 'Send Message'. Send something along these lines: Hello, apologies for the disruption but I'm wondering if you would consider reaching out to your Patreon representative and voicing your feelings on their recent corporate behaviour, which I'm sure you'll find disagreeable https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/01/patreon-attacks-... If it's…

Respectfully I don’t think that is very productive. I’m not a fan of this lawsuit or patreon’s behavior either, but I think Patreon has to fight this in some way or risk going bankrupt. If this really is an existential threat to the company they aren’t going to listen no matter how many creators talk to them about it. I think what patreon needs is some solution where they admit using the tracking pixel on those pages…

No doubt they'll sell us all out to survive, but we needn't be supportive of that.

If the creators you support are unaware of this, which is likely, this will encourage them to diversify their patronage-system. In some highly-improbable universe this will cause Patreon to go bust before they get a chance to affect the law which is still a win for the rest of us.

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