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> We need more women in our field. Why?

To flip the question around: why is it OK to have industries (any industry, really) dominated by men?

Yeah, it's unfair to women that men get to do all the plumbing, mining, construction, warfare, etc. demand equality!

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> We need more women in our field. Why?

To flip the question around: why is it OK to have industries (any industry, really) dominated by men?

It is OK because caring is loving. From those who can, for those who need. If a profession demands masculine traits (consider underground mining) then it should be performed by those who can make the most of it. If we insist on having under performing people on those positions based on some ideology then all will suffer . When someone dies we will have to face the reality that the cure could have been here now if the local mining facility had produced more steel, to make one more car, to get that researcher to the lab in time, to produce the cure. Everything has consequences, and it is logical that we should do our best.

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Specifically Ada Lovelace described what we’d now call computer programs in her own language while assisting in the creation of adding machines. She’s widely regarded as the first programmer.

Sure. The statement quoted above, however, is childish.

The statement that "women invented programming" is as meaningless as "men invented mathematics". It is blind to all the contributions of everyone that preceded and entire field.

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Sure. The statement quoted above, however, is childish.

The statement that "women invented programming" is as meaningless as "men invented mathematics". It is blind to all the contributions of everyone that preceded and entire field .

Precisely.

The redditization of HN: activism vs critical thinking.

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> We need more women in our field. Why?

To flip the question around: why is it OK to have industries (any industry, really) dominated by men?

And to flip that around again, why is it OK to have the majority of college admissions going to women? Especially in some fields women dominate, e.g. 95% of veterinary students are women. Is that OK and if so, why is the opposite a problem?

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To flip the question around: why is it OK to have industries (any industry, really) dominated by men?

It is OK because caring is loving. From those who can, for those who need. If a profession demands masculine traits (consider underground mining) then it should be performed by those who can make the most of it. If we insist on having under performing people on those positions based on some ideology then all will suffer . When someone dies we will have to face the reality that the cure could have been here now if the…

Sure, some industries have some natural gendered 'preferences'. But a lot are historical. Women have only been in the workforce for 100 odd years, and there is decreasing desire/need to be having babies all of the time.

And in some professions, the gender divide is more of a self-perpetuating cycle (there are examples of this for both sexes), based on the historical workforce, rather than being inherently suited to one sex.

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> We need more women in our field. Why?

To flip the question around: why is it OK to have industries (any industry, really) dominated by men?

Given that men and women are very different, if people are allowed to or even incentivised to do what they are good at and/or want to do then of course you will end up with industries being more or less dominated by either gender. The only way you won't get that is by not allowing people to do what they're good at because of their genitalia which I think is very much not ok. Or perhaps if men and women weren't very different, which they obviously are.

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The statement that "women invented programming" is as meaningless as "men invented mathematics". It is blind to all the contributions of everyone that preceded and entire field .

Precisely. The redditization of HN: activism vs critical thinking.

Exactly. Notice how the two comments calling out the childish comment, one simply asking why and one questioning the claim, were downvoted. "We need more women in the field" really means "we want more women in the field" and they refuse to reflect on why they want this. I assume it must be some kind of guilt that's been drummed in.

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Things do come up sometimes but it's a question of do you need exact 50:50 representation or is it enough to ensure there's a voice for each sex. danah boyd pointed out to VR researchers she was working with that their product was "sexist" because it made assumptions about vision that were far more true for males than females. But she used the word sexist in a narrow way to just point out that vision fact, not to mak…

VR/AR/XR is a very good example. Meta’s headsets and most 3rd party straps still default to a top strap that runs along the center of the head front to back. For any woman that wears their hair in a ponytail or bun this is a no-go. That design makes it really hard to demo product to 50+% of the population. I always seek out replacement straps that have an extra front strap instead of a center strap for this reason. A…

Sorry but a) men can wear pony tails and b) women don't have to wear their hair in pony tails. Are motorcycle helmets and other safety gear bad because they don't allow pony tails? Should they compromise on the strap design just to allow one particular hairstyle?

Female specific stuff is a thing and yeah you definitely need to design clothing for women (with several different shapes), but your argument is stretching and just looking for a problem to justify the wanting more female programmer thing.

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Precisely. The redditization of HN: activism vs critical thinking.

Exactly. Notice how the two comments calling out the childish comment, one simply asking why and one questioning the claim, were downvoted. "We need more women in the field" really means "we want more women in the field" and they refuse to reflect on why they want this. I assume it must be some kind of guilt that's been drummed in.

I mean, an argument could be made that more diverse life experiences could lead to more diverse approaches to solving problems.

So if that’s true, and I think it is, then it’d be a good thing to get more working in

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