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Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by orbitingpluto »

duhh1234 wrote: post #24

It's an opensource project run by a nonprofit.... nothing is stopping you from contributing ... did you even file a bug report or look one up regarding this issue? not even apple has updated all of it's software to support these new features.. hell they can't even get xcode to stop crashing constantly yet...

Oh to be young and think (or project that you think) you know everything!

(..says the old curmudgeon who realizes that despite all efforts to the contrary, he's getting increasingly less knowledgeable percentage-wise of what's out there. However you can't fault the kid for trying!)

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by reinhardt »

oinksoft wrote: post #5

I'd just like to say that I'm very thankful Firefox has neither invisible scrollbars nor inertial scrolling. F11 is full-screen in Firefox.

Amen to that. Unless I'm on a tiny screen where every pixel counts (i.e. mobile), don't make me guess WTF I should click in a vast empty white area to make the scrollbar appear (I'm looking at you, new gmail).

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by pazimzadeh »

wdewind wrote: post #14
pazimzadeh wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mostly agree, but I find Chrome's two-finger swipe gestures to be terrible. It's really hard to "cancel" a swipe if you've already (accidentally) started swiping.

That doesn't really make any sense. The two finger swipe in chrome is the only implementation of the two finger swipe I know of that gives you ANY opportunity to cancel the swipe once it has started. You can also completely control the swipe by not removing your fingers from the trackpad, unlike the 3 finger swipe, which is instantaneous.

I see that they've updated it since I last used Chrome. It's better but not perfect, although that might just be a matter of getting used to it. I expect to have to swipe longer before it goes back and I expect the same momentum effect that is all over Lion.

I don't understand why they don't simply use Safari's default behavior, it's not like Apple has a patent on physics and smooth animations.

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by thedeuce »

kibwen wrote: post #18

I'm curious if there are any statistics on what percentage of Firefox users are on OSX. Perhaps we can approximate. Here's Firefox's user feedback dashboard: http://input.mozilla.org/en-US/?q=&product=firefox&v... According to this, it looks like 5% of Firefox users are on OSX (or at least 5% of the users who care enough to submit feedback). I've heard (anecdotally) that Mozilla is planning on supporting the features…

I mean if they are going to develop for niche OS like osx and linux, the money might be better spent on their firefox operating system

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

kijin wrote: post #12

Firefox is not a good citizen on any OS other than Windows. In Linux, the Firefox button becomes an awkward-looking upside-down tab in the tab bar, because you're apparently not supposed to intrude into the sacrosanct title bar. (What about Chrome?) It also takes quite a bit of tweaking on the distributor's part to make Firefox look and behave like the rest of the OS (e.g. icon theme and font anti-aliasing), though t…

Every instance of a nonnative UI framework ends up being merely tolerated by users. They don't love it because they can tell something is slightly off from native UI. Whether it is a less-than snappy menu dropdown, or imitation fonts, it ends up feeling cheap. So, stop aiming so low and make something that users will love - right to the smallest detail.

I'm not surprised Mozilla took this route, though. They are more focused on openness and freedom on the web, which are also admirable goals.

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by evmar »

kijin wrote: post #12

Firefox is not a good citizen on any OS other than Windows. In Linux, the Firefox button becomes an awkward-looking upside-down tab in the tab bar, because you're apparently not supposed to intrude into the sacrosanct title bar. (What about Chrome?) It also takes quite a bit of tweaking on the distributor's part to make Firefox look and behave like the rest of the OS (e.g. icon theme and font anti-aliasing), though t…

The Linux problem is a limitation of Linux. (I worked on some similar code in Chrome, which only works 90% and is full of workarounds and hacks.)

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by lazerwalker »

forgotusername wrote: post #8
oinksoft wrote: post #5

I'd just like to say that I'm very thankful Firefox has neither invisible scrollbars nor inertial scrolling. F11 is full-screen in Firefox.

Adding to that, I've no problem whatsoever with Mozilla's choice to not implement these (braindamaged without exception, IMHO) features, as these choices are partially what drives me to use Firefox, and the only feedback Apple might ever listen to with regard to drunk scrolling and suchlike is user uptake. Here Firefox enables me to vote with my feet.

Inertia scrolling and auto-hide scrollbars are both features that are easily disabled system-wide in the Lion System Preferences (General for scrollbar visibility, Universal Access -> Mouse & Trackpad -> Trackpad Options for inertia scrolling).
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