In physics, a discovery claim needs five-sigma level of certainty in the measurement of mass in this case. I fail to see the mass of the particle named. Am I missing something from the PR? (Edward Bernays)
New Particle Discovered at CERN
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Re: New Particle Discovered at CERN
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being Swiss myself, I can for the life of me not figure out why you should be troubled by this fact. Do you feel threatened by us? I understand you're worried about the state of science and education in the U.S., but on the other hand you cannot honestly assume that 100% of scientific and technologic breakthroughs are performed on 6.1%[1] of the world's land mass? I've been living in the U.S. for 3 months now, and th…
Not as much threatened as forlorn about our seeming decline in status as a scientific hub for the world. I find solace somewhat in the breakthroughs we've discovered and developed over the years, but must sadly concede that, hey, people are doing sexy science-y stuff all over the place. We can't even come together for universal healthcare coverage, so maybe we don't deserve to be the lead dog of the sled.
Very nationalistic thinking.
Re: New Particle Discovered at CERN
#33I know that the world is essentially flat and that we shouldn't be so jingoistic anymore, but does it trouble anyone besides me that CERN is under the Swiss Alps near Geneva instead of under the scorching sun in the New Mexico desert? Shouldn't the "greatest Superpower in World History" be the one crashing atoms together like NASCAR autos and seeing all the mess that comes out of it? Now that I think about it, maybe…
The work at CERN is for Science, not Religion (or misplaced Patriotism if you prefer.)
The work at CERN is differentiated when it is performed by westerners or by people from the eastern side:
"The cost [...] has been evaluated, taking into account realistic labor prices in different countries. The total cost is X (with a western equivalent value of Y)" [where Y>X]
source: LHCb calorimeters : Technical Design Report
ISBN: 9290831693 http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/494264
Western discrimination/patriotism is firmly in place.
Re: New Particle Discovered at CERN
#34I know that the world is essentially flat and that we shouldn't be so jingoistic anymore, but does it trouble anyone besides me that CERN is under the Swiss Alps near Geneva instead of under the scorching sun in the New Mexico desert? Shouldn't the "greatest Superpower in World History" be the one crashing atoms together like NASCAR autos and seeing all the mess that comes out of it? Now that I think about it, maybe…
Why does that trouble you? Do you refuse to read books because the script isn't invented in the US? Do not US universities teach their CS students about Turing machines, because they were invented by a British guy?
Get of your nationalistic horse and be happy that not only americans, but the entire world can do science. Someday the most advanced research center in the world may be in Africa, someday it may be in Russia, some day in China.
Besides the Swiss are pretty close to neutral -- I can't even remember if they are members of the UN -- which means that the location is safe, politically.
Re: New Particle Discovered at CERN
#35I know that the world is essentially flat and that we shouldn't be so jingoistic anymore, but does it trouble anyone besides me that CERN is under the Swiss Alps near Geneva instead of under the scorching sun in the New Mexico desert? Shouldn't the "greatest Superpower in World History" be the one crashing atoms together like NASCAR autos and seeing all the mess that comes out of it? Now that I think about it, maybe…
As the world's greatest superpower shouldn't we watch formula 1 and not NASCAR? Shouldn't was try to win international sporting competitions instead of calling national championships "world" championships?
We don't like competing on level playing fields.
Re: New Particle Discovered at CERN
#36that good news for sure
Re: New Particle Discovered at CERN
#37Alright, my area is not physics, but one thing annoys me: does it still make sense to have particles as an abstraction? I mean, in the same sense that in math, at some point, you give up caring about discrete values and work with continuities instead.
Re: New Particle Discovered at CERN
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not as much threatened as forlorn about our seeming decline in status as a scientific hub for the world. I find solace somewhat in the breakthroughs we've discovered and developed over the years, but must sadly concede that, hey, people are doing sexy science-y stuff all over the place. We can't even come together for universal healthcare coverage, so maybe we don't deserve to be the lead dog of the sled.
Very nationalistic thinking.
Not very nationalistic from an Asian perspective.