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Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by [deleted] »

shagie wrote: post #29
genocidicbunny wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, the hyper focus on Boeing might result in some actual change instead of more of the same as before. Perhaps a little of the stick to contrast with the carrot?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/faa-increase-oversight-... > Jan. 12, 2024, 8:07 AM CST / Updated Jan. 12, 2024, 8:54 PM CST > The Federal Aviation Administration will increase its oversight of Boeing production and manufacturing, the agency said Friday, one day after announcing it had opened an investigation. > The FAA says it will audit Boeing's 737 Max 9 production line and its suppliers "to evaluate Boeing’s…

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Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by kjkjadksj »

oneplane wrote: post #26
jsiepkes wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This hyper selective attention is very bad. > because suddenly when under the microscope we notice all kinds of things that would have previously gone unnoticed. They knew that was a risk when they started cutting corners. Now they are paying the price. Can't say I feel for them. It's a nice deterrent.

In the context of just Boeing, that makes sense. In the broader 'news' context, it's bad, because there are a crapton of things that really aren't as significant as they are made out to be to the layman. It's not a firehose we should be drinking from, instead, the most significant things are supposed to be selected by specialists so we have enough space in our heads to focus on things we choose to instead of just wha…

We don’t in fact drink from the firehose. There are actually specialists who select what stories we are exposed to. The simple fact is that their incentives of politics and profits don’t align with yours of general knowledge and a peaceful learned population, and what we see today is the end result of these incentives.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by nswest23 »

eterm wrote: post #2

This is one of those stories that wouldn't be noticed if not for the attention on anything Boeing related right now. Instead it's near the top of the front-page. This hyper selective attention is very bad. It leads to all kinds of wrong inference about the background frequency of events, because suddenly when under the microscope we notice all kinds of things that would have previously gone unnoticed.

Covid?

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by lolinder »

The plane in question was JA56AN [0], which according to PlaneSpotters.net was delivered in June 2009 [1]. Forbes [2] indicates that the service life of a fight deck window is ten years (it's not clear if that applies to the windshield as well as passenger windows)—if that's accurate, it's likely that this is completely unrelated to Boeing's significant manufacturing problems lately. Unfortunately for Boeing it doesn't matter, anything involving a 737 will get news coverage right now.

[0] https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/nh1182

[1] https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/boeing-737-800-ja56an...

[2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisagarcia/2018/05/19/airplan...

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by JKCalhoun »

sph wrote: post #28
eterm wrote: post #2

This is one of those stories that wouldn't be noticed if not for the attention on anything Boeing related right now. Instead it's near the top of the front-page. This hyper selective attention is very bad. It leads to all kinds of wrong inference about the background frequency of events, because suddenly when under the microscope we notice all kinds of things that would have previously gone unnoticed.

This is how journalism and social media have been working in the Internet Age: keep bombarding people with the topic du jour because it sells (or it is easy HN karma), and then move onto the new thing. For many, like OP, Hacker News is the place to post random news that have nothing to do with computers or hacking. (I blame HN's vague and simplistic guidelines that allow "anything that our users might find interestin…

> Hacker News is the place to post random news that have nothing to do with computers or hacking.

Thankfully. If HN was just posts about Docker or Web stacks I would have left a long time ago.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by gruez »

gvedem wrote: post #27
williamcotton wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wholeheartedly agree. They need to get an aerospace engineer back at CEO and not some MBA optimizing for quarterly reports. People are absolutely dying because of an incoherent understanding of the value chain. The decision to outsource may please Wall Street for three months but it certainly hurts the brand in the long term. Boeing is in the business of R&D and production. That’s their value add. Fuck the investor…

> Fuck the investors, they're literally killing people epitaph of the new century. from water that makes your teeth black to illegal drug trials in poor countries. corporations are amoral by design and we have to assume they will do literally anything to make a buck.

>from water that makes your teeth black

???

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Post by lessbergstein »

eterm wrote: post #2

This is one of those stories that wouldn't be noticed if not for the attention on anything Boeing related right now. Instead it's near the top of the front-page. This hyper selective attention is very bad. It leads to all kinds of wrong inference about the background frequency of events, because suddenly when under the microscope we notice all kinds of things that would have previously gone unnoticed.

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Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by pcurve »

This happened a few times to 737.

With picture https://twitter.com/HawaiiNewsNow/status/1658175996925734912

Another one. https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/Avelo-flight-from-Tw...

It's not specific to 737. 787 also had a bunch of cracked pilot window issues not related to external impact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eemw9RNkU_k

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by ta1243 »

lolinder wrote: post #34

The plane in question was JA56AN [0], which according to PlaneSpotters.net was delivered in June 2009 [1]. Forbes [2] indicates that the service life of a fight deck window is ten years (it's not clear if that applies to the windshield as well as passenger windows)—if that's accurate, it's likely that this is completely unrelated to Boeing's significant manufacturing problems lately. Unfortunately for Boeing it doesn…

Boeing made a business decision to brand a new model as a "737". They wanted to trade of the reputation of the 737. Instead they tarnished it.
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