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Re: Let's make the indie web easier

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Post by tkzed49 »

fragmede wrote: post #30
bruce511 wrote: post #11

I write web server creation tools, so I'm somewhat familiar with this space. I'm not sure I'd recommend shared hosting setups. If you're going that route then you might as well host on WordPress.com or squarespace or whatever. The logical place to serve is of course from your home machine. These days there are lots of users with good access, good enough to serve. Assuming you don't have a crappy ISP that blocks incom…

She hosts people at her physical house, why should her digital home be any different?

How are these remotely similar? Or is this really good satire?

Re: Let's make the indie web easier

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Post by cratermoon »

fragmede wrote: post #30
bruce511 wrote: post #11

I write web server creation tools, so I'm somewhat familiar with this space. I'm not sure I'd recommend shared hosting setups. If you're going that route then you might as well host on WordPress.com or squarespace or whatever. The logical place to serve is of course from your home machine. These days there are lots of users with good access, good enough to serve. Assuming you don't have a crappy ISP that blocks incom…

She hosts people at her physical house, why should her digital home be any different?

Because in her digital home, there are people who will sneak in the back door or find a window they can jimmy open. They'll bring in stolen and illegal stuff, then invite all their fence and dealer friends over to join the party, and pretty soon mom's digital home becomes a meth house.

Re: Let's make the indie web easier

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Post by KTibow »

armchairhacker wrote: post #21

- https://www.wix.com/ - https://www.weebly.com/ - https://www.squarespace.com/ (the one with sponsored segments in every YouTube video) - https://www.ionos.com/websites/website-builder . IONOS is a domain registrar, most other domain registrars (at least namecheap) offer website builders as well. The keyword is "WYSIWYG". These site builders are targeted for non-tech-savvy people who want an easy solution, they incl…

Even though these are more than social media they aren't quite things you "own". They have subscriptions to remove the watermarks on top of the subscription to have a domain.

Re: Let's make the indie web easier

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Post by marcus_holmes »

fragmede wrote: post #13
marcus_holmes wrote: post #12

This. So much. I kinda do hate Wordpress. I hate that it's so inefficient. It optimises for authors not readers, in that it's easy for authors to create sites and posts, but to display a post to a reader it has to fetch everything from the database and then process all the PHP code into HTML and only finally actually serve it to the user. It needs an actual server, and a database, and all that maintenance and updates…

what if it was backed by sqlite instead?

Still needs a server...

Re: Let's make the indie web easier

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Post by labster »

cratermoon wrote: post #32
fragmede wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She hosts people at her physical house, why should her digital home be any different?

Because in her digital home, there are people who will sneak in the back door or find a window they can jimmy open. They'll bring in stolen and illegal stuff, then invite all their fence and dealer friends over to join the party, and pretty soon mom's digital home becomes a meth house.

All of that can happen to your physical home, too. When it does, you call the police. When it happens to your digital home, you track it to some other country, then call their police who will do nothing about it.

Re: Let's make the indie web easier

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Post by bordercases »

fragmede wrote: post #30
bruce511 wrote: post #11

I write web server creation tools, so I'm somewhat familiar with this space. I'm not sure I'd recommend shared hosting setups. If you're going that route then you might as well host on WordPress.com or squarespace or whatever. The logical place to serve is of course from your home machine. These days there are lots of users with good access, good enough to serve. Assuming you don't have a crappy ISP that blocks incom…

She hosts people at her physical house, why should her digital home be any different?

Because the technical details are extremely different. Your question is disingenuous.

Re: Let's make the indie web easier

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Post by peteforde »

While I appreciate the intent, I don't think we need to underestimate users and what folks are eager to learn when motivated to do so. High school kids who want to get into building sites and apps are frequently outrageously talented.

You're over-optimizing the very first step for a crowd of folks who are likely watching advanced Blender tutorials right now.

What you're not considering is that most people who want to create today are primarily interested in doing it on YouTube or TikTok. This is partly generational, and partly because YouTube has an entirely viable monetization mechanism for those who put in the work.

Re: Let's make the indie web easier

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Post by __d »

fragmede wrote: post #30
bruce511 wrote: post #11

I write web server creation tools, so I'm somewhat familiar with this space. I'm not sure I'd recommend shared hosting setups. If you're going that route then you might as well host on WordPress.com or squarespace or whatever. The logical place to serve is of course from your home machine. These days there are lots of users with good access, good enough to serve. Assuming you don't have a crappy ISP that blocks incom…

She hosts people at her physical house, why should her digital home be any different?

I think the point is that these should be more similar (and they aren't with our current technology).
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