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Re: Why America hates its children

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Post by xrd »

rayiner wrote: post #4

So this article goes on for paragraphs blaming republicans and evangelicals and the red scare and slavery. But why do democrats (apparently) hate their children as well? After all, education is 90% funded by states and municipalities. That’s not unique to the US—education is a local issue everywhere from Sweden to Canada to Germany. Why are schools falling apart in Baltimore and Chicago? Why aren’t social services fo…

She quotes Manchin as well, a Democrat, right?

Why isn't education funded at the federal level? Feels like something so expensive, should be funded at the federal level, not just regulated there, and not when federal income taxes dwarf state tax options.

Re: Why America hates its children

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Post by xrd »

rayiner wrote: post #29
paulryanrogers wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idaho has a small fraction of the population and diversity of those other places. Their challenges are significantly easier. Having been raised Republican and evangelical, I'd agree with the article. Those groups push kids under the bus and think they're doing the kids a favor. European countries have many problems; IME placing profit, religion, and extreme forms of individualism above child well-being aren't on the…

> Idaho has a small fraction of the population and diversity of those other places. That's a weird statement. By your logic, diversity makes people's lives worse, and folks in Idaho are justified in wanting no part in it. > Having been raised Republican and evangelical, I'd agree with the article. Those groups push kids under the bus and think they're doing the kids a favor. But, on objective metrics, those dumbfucks…

How much does cost of living factor into ability to deliver results for schools? The further you go into the heartland, the cheaper the land gets. I think that plays a part.

Re: Why America hates its children

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

rayiner wrote: post #29
paulryanrogers wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idaho has a small fraction of the population and diversity of those other places. Their challenges are significantly easier. Having been raised Republican and evangelical, I'd agree with the article. Those groups push kids under the bus and think they're doing the kids a favor. European countries have many problems; IME placing profit, religion, and extreme forms of individualism above child well-being aren't on the…

> Idaho has a small fraction of the population and diversity of those other places. That's a weird statement. By your logic, diversity makes people's lives worse, and folks in Idaho are justified in wanting no part in it. > Having been raised Republican and evangelical, I'd agree with the article. Those groups push kids under the bus and think they're doing the kids a favor. But, on objective metrics, those dumbfucks…

Salt Lake City is pretty liberal, so it isn't weird that it has egalitarian society liberals say they want to create.

Re: Why America hates its children

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Post by skissane »

xrd wrote: post #32
rayiner wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Idaho has a small fraction of the population and diversity of those other places. That's a weird statement. By your logic, diversity makes people's lives worse, and folks in Idaho are justified in wanting no part in it. > Having been raised Republican and evangelical, I'd agree with the article. Those groups push kids under the bus and think they're doing the kids a favor. But, on objective metrics, those dumbfucks…

How much does cost of living factor into ability to deliver results for schools? The further you go into the heartland, the cheaper the land gets. I think that plays a part.

Cost of living declines, but the tax base also shrinks – fewer large corporations and high-income earners, plus cheaper real estate reduces property tax revenues. Whatever advantages the lower cost of living gives, the reduced tax base may take away.

Re: Why America hates its children

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Post by proc0 »

> At root, we must overthrow the persistent delusion of rugged individualism — the perverse American mythology that everyone must fend for themselves, no matter the cost.

I don't think the author considered their own bias since there is no mention of movements like gender ideology that are the epitome of individualism, which says that anyone can declare their own gender and identity. If you can define your own identity, how is society supposed to function in any coherent way? People can't predict your role in society, and so the default behavior is to ignore people and let everyone live their lives in whatever way they please. I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong, but it's a blind spot of the article's analysis.

Progressivism is aiming for the maximum amount of individualism, as it aspires to maximize individual freedom and create technology that empowers the individual, from cars to VR. The alternative is to maximize the family as the basic unit of society, but in order to do that you have to define what a family is, and right now it seems the status quo is dismantling the family structure and giving individuals direct control of their role and identity in society (which amounts to having no roles).

Re: Why America hates its children

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Post by iteria »

dadjoker wrote: post #25
navjack27 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does that upset you? Children should be protected against airborne transmittable sickness. Also, we are still in COVID it's not over.

It's well documented that 1) children are/were barely affected by COVID, and 2) mask caused more problems, especially for younger kids who are learning to speak, and need to be able to see facial expressions. COVID is around, and always will be. And "protecting" causes more harm and weakens the development of the immune system. All well known and common sense stuff, to those who don't live in fear of merely getting s…

We don't actually know that children were barely affected by covid. Covid is a pretty unknown disease in the long term. It could be like chicken pox which looked harmless in children until a few decades later with shingles. Maybe we'll find out that having young co-relates with later adult outcomes like how having multiple serious bouts of the flu qas corelated with mental decline. We don't even know if covid would be like the flu when it first appeared where future waves would be worse in children. It's best to be cautious with a disease that still hasn't settled into a stable form.

Re: Why America hates its children

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Post by whoaskt »

rayiner wrote: post #4

So this article goes on for paragraphs blaming republicans and evangelicals and the red scare and slavery. But why do democrats (apparently) hate their children as well? After all, education is 90% funded by states and municipalities. That’s not unique to the US—education is a local issue everywhere from Sweden to Canada to Germany. Why are schools falling apart in Baltimore and Chicago? Why aren’t social services fo…

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Re: Why America hates its children

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Post by bumpkijss »

rayiner wrote: post #4

So this article goes on for paragraphs blaming republicans and evangelicals and the red scare and slavery. But why do democrats (apparently) hate their children as well? After all, education is 90% funded by states and municipalities. That’s not unique to the US—education is a local issue everywhere from Sweden to Canada to Germany. Why are schools falling apart in Baltimore and Chicago? Why aren’t social services fo…

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Re: Why America hates its children

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Post by gus_massa »

navjack27 wrote: post #18
jjgreen wrote: post #14

During Covid, when I read that the US required children to wear facemasks from the age of two , it sent a shiver down my spine.

Why does that upset you? Children should be protected against airborne transmittable sickness. Also, we are still in COVID it's not over.

I had two small kids in the kindergarten in 2020.

Two year old children will remove their facemask to pick their nose, or share a licked cookie with their best friend. You can try to teach older kids to use a facemask corectly, but for two years olld it's security theater.

Re: Why America hates its children

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Post by healthdare »

rayiner wrote: post #4

So this article goes on for paragraphs blaming republicans and evangelicals and the red scare and slavery. But why do democrats (apparently) hate their children as well? After all, education is 90% funded by states and municipalities. That’s not unique to the US—education is a local issue everywhere from Sweden to Canada to Germany. Why are schools falling apart in Baltimore and Chicago? Why aren’t social services fo…

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