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Yup. It’s too much work, literally. Especially when 20% of the resumes you get end up being fake
If you have enough candidates that it's too much work to reject people, you likely have enough candidates to merit at least a simple templating and candidate management app or plugin. It is absolutely trivial to one-click reject groups of people.
I think this would matter more to me if the feedback was ever useful. The feedback from these "no" is more cliche and less useful than a Dear John letter. All I ever hear are "another more qualified candidate", or rarely the slightly more useful "culture fit".
In most cases, it’s more “you did okay, but someone else did better in this noisy, wide error-bar interaction”; giving someone feedback of “just be better next time” isn’t particularly helpful or motivating and some candidates will take that as a invitation to press for further details which may not exist and certainly won’t be coming.
In cases where there is specific feedback, I give it to recruiters who hopefully share it with the candidate. (Anecdotally, I have talked with recruiters who have done just that, which is how I know that some candidates just won’t drop it.)
If you’re never getting specific feedback, it’s probably the case that you’re consistently doing fine in interviews and someone else just wiggled a little higher on that particular day.
These days, sending an effing canned email to all applicants that didn't get hired costs a company next to nothing, and still ghosting happens.
It's indecent.
Otherwise, many days sent down a black hole, followed by beers, to recover from the day's ordeal.
My wild-ass hyperbolic guess is that once they make a choice, staying silent is their way of grabbing a beer or two and forgetting their own ordeal, and having no regrets. "We hired a genius. All the others were run of the mill"
They're human, after all, but maybe humans won't be involved any more. Machines decide who will serve them.
Both of the following can be true at the same time: 1. I personally owe a response to anyone who reaches out to me, in a timely manner, even if that answer is no, because to intentionally ignore a request is unethical. 2. I will strive to have built up many and different areas in my life, such that my sense of confidence is not impacted by the actions or inactions of people who are, in essence, strangers. If you want…
I've been looking for a job recently, and was also surprised about how much ghosting seems to to on, especially after already talking to people but also never hearing at all. The best application experience I've had recently was probably one that 24 hours after I applied told me no. There I at least could move it out of my mind entirely.
I do agree for sure that it's not personal. And how you're treated during recruitment is also good information.
The new normal? This has been the case for years for almost all job applications. Maybe if you're lucky and the company has put you through like 4 rounds of interviews you might get feedback, but the general rule seems to be that useful feedback for an interview is the exception rather than the norm. And heck, even that isn't something you can rely on. I've had a fair few interviews get about 80% of the way through t…
Both of the following can be true at the same time: 1. I personally owe a response to anyone who reaches out to me, in a timely manner, even if that answer is no, because to intentionally ignore a request is unethical. 2. I will strive to have built up many and different areas in my life, such that my sense of confidence is not impacted by the actions or inactions of people who are, in essence, strangers. If you want…
> In order for it to be ghosting, the ghosted party has to expect the conversation will continue. This means that if you apply and never hear back from a job, that’s not ghosting, a conversation never started. It only becomes ghosting when there is an expected next step that never happens.
The new normal? This has been the case for years for almost all job applications. Maybe if you're lucky and the company has put you through like 4 rounds of interviews you might get feedback, but the general rule seems to be that useful feedback for an interview is the exception rather than the norm. And heck, even that isn't something you can rely on. I've had a fair few interviews get about 80% of the way through t…
It’s pretty gross out there for people other than tech employees.
What’s pretty funny is now that I’m changing into this field it seems to be adjusting to treat people like crap. So, I guess you’re welcome guys and gals - it’s my fault.
An automated no is such a no-brainer versus the reputational risk of being seen as a bad or callous employer.
And people have looooong memories / impressions created in this space. I honestly have no idea if General Electric is a good or bad employer, but the Jack Welch era still lingers in my mind.